Match reaction vs Norwich

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Have that done to your leg and see how strong you are.

This is the same Place he had broke his leg in last time.

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Have what done?

I doubt il break my leg stretching to control a ball

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Originally Posted by Ach

Have what done?

I doubt il break my leg stretching to control a ball

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Thats not how he broke the leg.

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Arsenal right-back Bacary Sagna will miss France's Euro 2012 campaign after breaking his fibula against Norwich City on Saturday.
The 29-year-old was carried from the field after falling to the ground unchallenged in the 33rd minute of a pulsating 3-3 draw at the Emirates.
It is the second time this season Sagna has broken a bone in his leg.
He underwent surgery in October after falling awkwardly in the 2-1 north London derby defeat by Tottenham .
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger confirmed the injury in his post-match news conference. "It is a broken fibula, the same leg. He was kicked on it, it has not happened alone," he said.
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“It looked like a bad one and he had a big one already this season”

Yossi Benayoun Arsenal forward

"When he was kicked, he has broken the leg. The guy closed him down and walked on him. I don't know if it was deliberate or not.''
Sagna will also miss Arsenal's final game of the Premier League season against West Bromwich Albion, as they push for Champions League qualification.
Yossi Benayoun, who had given Arsenal a second-minute lead in the Norwich draw, admitted he had feared the worst when his team-mate went down.
"I don't know exactly what happened but it looked like a bad one and he had a big one already this season," Benayoun said.
"It was similar in the same area as the last one but I hope he will recover quickly because he's a great player and that's more important than any points or win and hope he can recover quickly."

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Was Ramsey's yellow card really a 'good tackle'? Looked a blatant foul when I saw it and the sort he'd usually be berating the 4th official for if it was on us.

Vermaelan is really a bad defender, don't understand why so many people can't see this. So many times i've heard people say, he is our best defender. He just doesn't seem to understand what makes a good defender, takes too many chances, when he really doesn't need to.

Look at truly great defenders, you rarely see them ever having to make hollywood tackles.

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Originally Posted by Young Guns 11

Song frustrates the living hell out of me. Every time he has to try and hold off players with his strength and then push through, he needs to reign in this more flamboyant side that has emerged with him recently. He's a DM, our only real defending midfielder. He leaves us in horrible defensive situations on a number of occasions, and today we saw that. Even for their first goal he should have done better, didn't jump with that Norwich attacker who headed it on, and then failed to track back immediately, which was a big reason why whoever it was got that pass to Holt in space. Still super unlucky that went in though.

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But he seems to be the only CM who can actually create anything, Arteta while solid, has become a 2-5 yard pass merchant, Ramsey is shit. At least with Song, he tries to do something positive.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

Vermaelan is really a bad defender, don't understand why so many people can't see this. So many times i've heard people say, he is our best defender. He just doesn't seem to understand what makes a good defender, takes too many chances, when he really doesn't need to.

Look at truly great defenders, you rarely see them ever having to make hollywood tackles.

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big merts is a case in point. we miss him and we really miss arteta. is verms playing to instructions i wonder or is he just that poor of a defender

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Originally Posted by fari

big merts is a case in point. we miss him and we really miss arteta. is verms playing to instructions i wonder or is he just that poor of a defender

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Vermaelen had a shocker and left exposed for th e goals. Caught sleeping or out of position for all the goals. Merts and Kos were a better partnership.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

But he seems to be the only CM who can actually create anything, Arteta while solid, has become a 2-5 yard pass merchant, Ramsey is shit. At least with Song, he tries to do something positive.

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Your description of Arteta can be read as a pretty damning assessment of Arteta and what he brings to the team. Check out our record with him in the team and out of the team and you'll hopefully have a better view of what he has brought to the side.

As for defenders, it is clear to me at least the Koscielny has been our most reliable and effective defender.

I didn't think this team could sink any lower. But they did.

Shockingly bad.

3rd is gone.

4th is nearly gone.

Terrible.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Rubbish to both, Last season was much worse the only reason it seems worse to ou this was because we may get no Cl footie next season.

Our sqaud is shite and with RVP not beeing on form in the last few Theo being our and Mikel it was always going to cost us as well AW being Tacitally inepet and decided to keep playing shite like Gev and Ramsey.

Had spuds not fecked up we bo no where near 3rd anyway.

Losing the CC was a bigger fuck up then today. this is just somethng that was bond to happen without quality in the team.

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What are you talking about? CL football is the absolute bare minimum, it's what Wenger prides himself on and the club is happy to achieve. Potentially missing out on that can only be described as one of the biggest fuck ups to date. All the title challenge collapses have nothing on this because the safety blanket of CL football was always there, it won't be this time.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

What are you talking about? CL football is the absolute bare minimum, it's what Wenger prides himself on and the club is happy to achieve. Potentially missing out on that can only be described as one of the biggest fuck ups to date. All the title challenge collapses have nothing on this because the safety blanket of CL football was always there, it won't be this time.

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That was my point you only see this as a big fuck up because it may cost us the Cl fine i get that, but how we fucked up last season was way worse.

Lets be honest at the start of the season and trough the middle we all thought we may be in the europa league did we not so it was not a big shock we play in it.

The board has said even if er drop put its not a big deal.

What im saying is if you look at the sqaud its always been week from the summer and could have cost us at some point. Being 8 pointd clear of spurs never meant a thing to me because i knew with a few bad results and injurey to key players we'd be right where we were.

Last season we had a sqaud that should have won 2 cups at least and they failed badily this year we never had that sqaud thats the problem.

And had spuds not messed up they have got 3rd by now anyways.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

That was my point you only see this as a big fuck up because it may cost us the Cl fine i get that, but how we fucked up last season was way worse.

Lets be honest at the start of the season and trough the middle we all thought we may be in the europa league did we not so it was not a big shock we play in it.

The board has said even if er drop put its not a big deal.

What im saying is if you look at the sqaud its always been week from the summer and could have cost us at some point. Being 8 pointd clear of spurs never meant a thing to me because i knew with a few bad results and injurey to key players we'd be right where we were.

Last season we had a sqaud that should have won 2 cups at least and they failed badily this year we never had that sqaud thats the problem.

And had spuds not messed up they have got 3rd by now anyways.

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Then the manager should be sacked as it's down to his incompetence.

It's all very good saying the squad has been weak from last summer, but whose fault is that for not planning and replacing the players we lost with quality?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Then the manager should be sacked as it's down to his incompetence.

It's all very good saying the squad has been week from last summer, but who's fault is that for not planning and replacing the players we lost with quality?

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Maybe.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Then the manager should be sacked as it's down to his incompetence.

It's all very good saying the squad has been weak from last summer, but whose fault is that for not planning and replacing the players we lost with quality?

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Yup, I don't think Arsene has any excuses left, not that he should have been given so many chances anyway. Aside from the fact he's made a complete mess of the squad and he has from both the lack of quality and the large amount of redundant high earners. Moreover tactically he can't motivate this team, I mean 3 weeks ago we were a shoe-in for 3rd place and look at us now.

Honestly what does Arsene really offer us that any other hungry competant couldn't?

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yup, I don't think Arsene has any excuses left, not that he should have been given so many chances anyway. Aside from the fact he's made a complete mess of the squad and he has from both the lack of quality and the large amount of redundant high earners. Moreover tactically he can't motivate this team, I mean 3 weeks ago we were a shoe-in for 3rd place and look at us now.

Honestly what does Arsene really offer us that any other hungry competant couldn't?

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He offers you nothing, he offters the people that matter alot or makes them money.

How RVP did not score more then 5 yesterday is amazing he had so many chances.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

He offers you nothing, he offters the people that matter alot or makes them money.

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I'm sure there are other managers out there that can make the club money without winning anything.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I'm sure there are other managers out there that can make the club money without winning anything.

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Maybe they can, but he is meeting their targerts in their eyes so why get rid. They should have got rid last summer but for some reason they did not.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

But he seems to be the only CM who can actually create anything, Arteta while solid, has become a 2-5 yard pass merchant, Ramsey is shit. At least with Song, he tries to do something positive.

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I posted this yesterday;

Games without Arteta: W0 D4 L4

As for Song, there's no questioning his ability, he has progressed immensely well and is to be able to defend and attack well, but the point is he needs to learn when is the right time to attack/do something fancy and when he needs to stay back and pick up the pieces in case our attack falls down and they break away,especially since he's not exactly the fastest of players.

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Originally Posted by Young Guns 11

As for Song, there's no questioning his ability, he has progressed immensely well and is to be able to defend and attack well, but the point is he needs to learn when is the right time to attack/do something fancy and when he needs to stay back and pick up the pieces in case our attack falls down and they break away,especially since he's not exactly the fastest of players.

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Yep abd this is why we need M'villa he can do that job and it will put pressure on Song to up his game, right now he knows he will start no matter if he fecks up or not.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Then the manager should be sacked as it's down to his incompetence.

It's all very good saying the squad has been weak from last summer, but whose fault is that for not planning and replacing the players we lost with quality?

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Pretty much hit the nail on the head, the summer was a laying of a bed that has been a bitch to lie in

If we propose to be a club with any aspiration, which I think we can be. . .we can never come out of a summer and into the first month of a season so badly prepared/undermanned. . .

There was no excuse whatsoever for how badly prepared we were. It was crystal clear to everyone, who was leaving and where we needed to replenish and strengthen the squad. I actually think we were considering banking all the transfer receipts without actually signing anyone after the departures of Fibreglass and the lezza.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Pretty much hit the nail on the head, the summer was a laying of a bed that has been a bitch to lie in

If we propose to be a club with any aspiration, which I think we can be. . .we can never come out of a summer and into the first month of a season so badly prepared/undermanned. . .

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So true. This is why we can't have another summer of this BS.

Just hope it's not a repeat of last summer. My biggest fear is that the RVP situation could drag on and without the club knowing whether they will get 25m, it may affect our activity in the time being.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Just hope it's not a repeat of last summer. My biggest fear is that the RVP situation could drag on and without the club knowing whether they will get 25m, it may affect our activity in the time being.

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25 mill for a player in the last year of his contract woulf be a suprise if anyone paid that. Unlike cesc who was younger and on a longer contract, this is well diffrent.

Well we got 25m for Nasri. Although I guess it helped having City as the buyer.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Well we got 25m for Nasri. Although I guess it helped having City as the buyer.

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Yep, we mugged them off in away cause i don't think a madrid or Barca would have paid that. But like you say if he does go RVP its sorted soon.

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Originally Posted by GB.

There was no excuse whatsoever for how badly prepared we were. It was crystal clear to everyone, who was leaving and where we needed to replenish and strengthen the squad. I actually think we were considering banking all the transfer receipts without actually signing anyone after the departures of Fibreglass and the lezza.

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Same here, but they couldn't get away with it when a few injuries didn't pan out and we got our arses handed to us in the early games. If people had killed the board as I suggested then this season could have been different.

We're on MOTD now. I'll judge the 4 penalty claims

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Originally Posted by Gubby Allen

We're on MOTD now. I'll judge the 4 penalty claims

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Only showed one for each side, so can assume the second ones each side claimed for were nothing.

As for the two not given one for each, I couldn't even offer a suggestion why either weren't. What sort of industry is it, where we'll never ever know why? I'd have more respect if he said I had a few quid on 3-3, than not saying anything. It doesn't have to be to the cameras but some sort of clarification would do.

Should've been 4-4 then, but either side should've scored at least 7.

Gervinho was offside anyway

All biases aside - and just a rules question - was gervinho technically offside in the RVP penalty incident. I've no idea how it works anymore with phases. He's clearly offside and it looks like there's a whisker between his foot and the ball - so the fact he didn't touch it, then mean he is not actively involved?

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Originally Posted by Gubby Allen

All biases aside - and just a rules question - was gervinho technically offside in the RVP penalty incident. I've no idea how it works anymore with phases. He's clearly offside and it looks like there's a whisker between his foot and the ball - so the fact he didn't touch it, then mean he is not actively involved?

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No touch = RVP goal would have stood.

We have seen some shockingly bad defending during the last few years but this game takes the biscuit.

I don't actually know how we managed to defend so badly.

Horrific stuff.

Everton had a goal disallowed for basically the same thing

Ball played in, Fellaini clearly offside, goes for it and misses completely and some other dude puts it in but was ruled out

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Originally Posted by Gubby Allen

All biases aside - and just a rules question - was gervinho technically offside in the RVP penalty incident. I've no idea how it works anymore with phases. He's clearly offside and it looks like there's a whisker between his foot and the ball - so the fact he didn't touch it, then mean he is not actively involved?

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If Gev interfeers with play then he is offside. As he did not he was not.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Everton had a goal disallowed for basically the same thing

Ball played in, Fellaini clearly offside, goes for it and misses completely and some other dude puts it in but was ruled out

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The rules need to be made clear then, because no one seems to know it.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

The rules need to be made clear then, because no one seems to know it.

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Especially the refs. In the real world Gervinho is interfering with play because he's stood right in the middle of the box and must be distracting the keeper to some degree. However, in the fucked up world of FIFA and UEFA he's not offside, it IS a penalty, 100%, the ref DID see it and has decided not to give it. Therefore, for whatever reason, cowardice, bias, bribes, gambling debts, the ref's a cheat.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Especially the refs. In the real world Gervinho is interfering with play because he's stood right in the middle of the box and must be distracting the keeper to some degree. However, in the fucked up world of FIFA and UEFA he's not offside, it IS a penalty, 100%, the ref DID see it and has decided not to give it. Therefore, for whatever reason, cowardice, bias, bribes, gambling debts, the ref's a cheat.

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Yep, Scummy refs lol.

Sagna reckons Bradley Johnson deliberately stamped on him (which led to his broken leg).

He probably did - he had enough time to avoid Sagna but ran straight over him.

No fuss made of it - what's the point?

Sagna says it's a clean break. Should be interesting to see whether he's any good when he comes back, or if yet another player has been fucked by an injury.