Luis Suarez thread

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

:lol: people fully debating suarez and he hasnt even joined yet

what a mess.

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Let's face it, he'll probably need his own thread during a season anyway.

It's down to Suarez really to force a move because it doesn't look like Liverpool are going to budge. If they're going to strengthen the team they need to usurp for the top 4, they're right to demand top dollar.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

If Suarez hands in a transfer request, that frees up a £5m signing fee from Liverpool.
£40m from us.

£45m in total, get Fellaini, and title is ours.

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The 5 million won't make a difference, it doesn't make it a 45 million deal at all, they don't want him to go so don't count that 5 million as part of the deal (that's Ollie's theory). We're going to have to pay a lot more if we want him.

I doubt very much we will.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The very definition of win win

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:popcorn:

Make it happen. We need a contract signing and everything.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

The 5 million won't make a difference, it doesn't make it a 45 million deal at all, they don't want him to go so don't count that 5 million as part of the deal (that's Ollie's theory). We're going to have to pay a lot more if we want him.

I doubt very much we will.

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All depends on whether another team comes in for him really. That's what Liverpool are trying to do by being so open. They're inviting others to start a bidding war.

If nobody else is interested, they'll be pushed into a corner, very much like we were with Fabregas and Barca. They'll not want to miss the chance to get a good fee, even if it's not the best they could possibly get.

Don't forget they have to replace the racist bastard too.

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Originally Posted by LDG

All depends on whether another team comes in for him really. That's what Liverpool are trying to do by being so open. They're inviting others to start a bidding war.

If nobody else is interested, they'll be pushed into a corner, very much like we were with Fabregas and Barca. They'll not want to miss the chance to get a good fee, even if it's not the best they could possibly get.

Don't forget they have to replace the racist bastard too.

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I think they can hold onto him for another year personally, he has 3 years left so they're in a strong position. They could probably convince him that next year he can get his dream move to Real for example rather than stay in England (which he said he didn't want to do).

You can usually convince a player to give it one more year if you promise to let him go the following season.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I think they can hold onto him for another year personally, he has 3 years left so they're in a strong position. They could probably convince him that next year he can get his dream move to Real for example rather than stay in England (which he said he didn't want to do).

You can usually convince a player to give it one more year if you promise to let him go the following season.

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They’d be a playing a dangerous game if they try that. He could go all ‘Bay Harbour Butcher’ in Merseyside and start picking up lengthier bans.

There is the fact they've supported him fully throughout the troubles, which will count in their favour with him I think.

I'm not so sure, not in a World Cup year.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I'm not so sure, not in a World Cup year.

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u r gay won't make the world cup.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

There is the fact they've supported him fully throughout the troubles, which will count in their favour with him I think.

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Credit to him if he does stick by them. Most players wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

u r gay won't make the world cup.

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Well they'd get a pub team in the play-off as it stands.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well they'd get a pub team in the play-off as it stands.

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they have the hardest run in amongst all the people in the group

Uzbekistan will be hard away from home and their play off record is far from good, they missed out in 06 against a weak australian side and only narrowly beat costa rica in 2010, uzbekistan are much stronger than costa rica.

http://i.imgur.com/vaVt0U8.gif

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

they have the hardest run in amongst all the people in the group

Uzbekistan will be hard away from home and their play off record is far from good, they missed out in 06 against a weak australian side and only narrowly beat costa rica in 2010, uzbekistan are much stronger than costa rica.

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It's more likely Ecuador, Argentina and Colombia will be qualified by the time they've played all three.

It doesn't really work out often that A is better than B so that means they will beat C.

Wasnt sure if this was the right place to put this, but just to put it in perspective to those people who rather wanted us to go for a "cheaper" Higuain. The numbers im getting in danish media is we put in a 347mil dkk bid (40mil) for Suarez and Higuain went for 350-400mil dkk (which i guess is 40-45ish) - If those prices are correct, would people still want Higuain or go for Suarez?

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It's more likely Ecuador, Argentina and Colombia will be qualified by the time they've played all three.

It doesn't really work out often that A is better than B so that means they will beat C.

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the altitude will mean Ecuador will be borderline impossible to beat.

Argentina is always tough

Colombia would probably still need some points

Peru away will be very tough

added to that this U r gay team are in very very poor form

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

Wasnt sure if this was the right place to put this, but just to put it in perspective to those people who rather wanted us to go for a "cheaper" Higuain. The numbers im getting in danish media is we put in a 347mil dkk bid (40mil) for Suarez and Higuain went for 350-400mil dkk (which i guess is 40-45ish) - If those prices are correct, would people still want Higuain or go for Suarez?

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would prefer jackson martinez and stephen el shaaarwy,

aren't milan broke? surely we should just go for el shaarwy

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

There is the fact they've supported him fully throughout the troubles, which will count in their favour with him I think.

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Yeah it's probably not the best tactic to appeal to Suarezs moral side. We said the same with van Persie. If the player wants it. The player most likely will get it

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

the altitude will mean Ecuador will be borderline impossible to beat.

Argentina is always tough

Colombia would probably still need some points

Peru away will be very tough

added to that this U r gay team are in very very poor form

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The problem with talking about tough run-ins and things is that it often forgets the teams the other teams they are competing against (in this case Peru and Venezuela have to play each other) and they can't both win.

It could be the case that above match happens and Uruguay face an already qualified Colombia.

In any case, this matters little in what I originally said about Suarez and the World Cup. He won't be stating 100% they won't be going there.

Marca are apparently reporting this morning that Madrid are happy with their strikers amd are not interested in Suarez

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Originally Posted by bunsco

Yes.

In regards to the fact that being a druggie or a drunk are both personal traits/decisions players do in their own time away from the game that impact ONLY on the person themselves (and close family/friends), and although not ideal in a PR sense does come remotely close to damaging the reputation of a club than a player doing a Suarez or Terry.

Would it be OK if we returned to 'the good ol days' of the 70s/early 80s where 'a couple of insulting words' was "just part of the game" - just as long as we get a world class player on board.

Fuck, the guys probably not gonna join us anyway, but I'm disturbed by the acceptance here by his behaviour - as someone stated earlier - would you be clambering for him if it was one of our players he abused?

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Being a drunk driver only impacts themselves?

What if he had hit someone?

No one from what I've seen has accepted his behaviour. We all know it was wrong. It wouldn't stop me from wanting him here though cos firstly and most importantly he's a quality player

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Being a drunk driver only impacts themselves?

What if he had hit someone?

No one from what I've seen has accepted his behaviour. We all know it was wrong. It wouldn't stop me from wanting him here though cos firstly and most importantly he's a quality player

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He was already our player and we didn't try to break our transfer record to get him after convicted. It's hard to compare the two.

So if Suarez was already our player and he said whAt he did then it would have been ok?

Slight hypocritical.

Shouldn't make a difference whether he was our player or not.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

So if Suarez was already our player and he said whAt he did then it would have been ok?

Slight hypocritical.

Shouldn't make a difference whether he was our player or not.

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As said, you can’t compare the two and as addiction is a different ball park.

To stand by Adams through troubled times is one thing but imagine if club decided to run a ‘Free Adams’ T-Shirt campaign whilst he was doing time. You can support the player through troubled times, support the quality of their game without having to trivialise and downplay their wrong actions.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Yeah it's probably not the best tactic to appeal to Suarezs moral side. We said the same with van Persie. If the player wants it. The player most likely will get it

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I think you said the same not "we" to be fair, but we were in a weak with Van Persie due to his contract length.

so what's the message here about suarez?

that he's a massive racist and shouldn't be welcomed anywhere - i don't see what point any of this debate has led to.

he has made mistakes in the past just like any normal human

if he comes here he starts fresh as far as im concerned

under a proper tutor like wenger he'd curb his behaviour. under kenny and brendan he went awol cause they're both shite

wenger is still shite but less shite cause people admire him for his past glories. suarez needs a proper manager tbf

wenger :bow:

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Originally Posted by LDG

Bloody right. And bloody well put :gp:

So far as the game goes, professional footballers, awash with all of their gold, are bad enough at the best of times. Let alone racism and premeditated biting. The game is plummeting to new depths of ignorance, greed and lack of morals, season upon season.

Arsenal are far removed from where they used to be. A club with a bit of class, who did things the right way. I understand that we have to move with the times (from a football and business point of view). But I'd rather 11 Arteta's or Mertesecker's and just be Arsenal FC, than tolerate a **** like that.

Of course, it's natural for a fan to grow to worship a player. It's part and parcel of the game. If Suarez were to sign, and score the winnner against the spuds, I'm sure I'd dance around like a loon. He would have scored a goal. The goal is what I'm celebrating, not necessarily the personality.

I'll still reserve my right to think that this clown is an ignorant, arrogant racist.

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Dude, Arsenal just signed a deal with a Nigerian bank. This myth of us being classy has to stop.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

he has made mistakes in the past just like any normal human

if he comes here he starts fresh as far as im concerned

under a proper tutor like wenger he'd curb his behaviour. under kenny and brendan he went awol cause they're both shite

wenger is still shite but less shite cause people admire him for his past glories. suarez needs a proper manager tbf

wenger :bow:

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Wenger curb his behaviour?

Can't see it myself, he let Barndoor get away with allsorts (headbutts, almost attacking a referee) has let his players run amok for years defending everything they do.

Suarez will probably become the new Joey Barton under this kind of discipline!

Suarez is a very good player, but he's not as special as many people seem to think, I think his abilities are overexaggerated....he's no Zidane, Bergkamp or Henry and thus I'm not sure all the baggage and risk he brings with him is worth the hassle (especially when you consider the price tag attached to his name).

If he does this sh*t again he'll end up with a longer ban and his club will end up losing a key player for 3/4 of the season.

So we shouldn't get him cos hes not as good as some of the best players ever?

Don't think we're signing anyone ever again then

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

so what's the message here about suarez?

that he's a massive racist and shouldn't be welcomed anywhere - i don't see what point any of this debate has led to.

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He can be welcomed in without having to sugarcoat and play down his past. That’s all. As said, he could probably learn a thing or two playing for a club like Arsenal if he’s indeed that ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

so what's the message here about suarez?

that he's a massive racist and shouldn't be welcomed anywhere - i don't see what point any of this debate has led to.

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The point. When there's an overt problem (OMG! Everyone can SEE FFS!) people need to rapidly jump a bandwagon and be seen to be doing the easyright thing. But when the problem is covert it is best to stay out of sight and profit as quietly as possible. And if in the first case some people don't sing loudly enough then everyone else is entitled to call them a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Suarez is a very good player, but he's not as special as many people seem to think, I think his abilities are overexaggerated....he's no Zidane, Bergkamp or Henry and thus I'm not sure all the baggage and risk he brings with him is worth the hassle (especially when you consider the price tag attached to his name).

If he does this sh*t again he'll end up with a longer ban and his club will end up losing a key player for 3/4 of the season.

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hes the second best striker in england and one of the best strikers in europe. thats all we need to know about his ability. he improves this team no end.

with regards to your comments about the ban, yes you are right. there is that risk. but i think its one we have to take, we need a world class striker, hes the only one left we can get. time to go big and be bold

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Originally Posted by Cripps

So we shouldn't get him cos hes not as good as some of the best players ever?

Don't think we're signing anyone ever again then

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More because his price tag huge, he's likely to get himself banned and we'll have no money left for anyone else if we sign him and we need several players.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

More because his price tag huge, he's likely to get himself banned and we'll have no money left for anyone else if we sign him and we need several players.

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More chance of getting players if they see we are serious about challenging and getting one of the best in the world in regardless of the price will show that.

Right now, the likes of Fellaini etc wont choose us over Man Utd cos we have shown nothing to prove we are worth joining for. These players don't want the 4th place trophy.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

hes the second best striker in england and one of the best strikers in europe. thats all we need to know about his ability. he improves this team no end.

with regards to your comments about the ban, yes you are right. there is that risk. but i think its one we have to take, we need a world class striker, hes the only one left we can get. time to go big and be bold

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2nd best striker in England, I don't agree.

Aguero is certainly better than he is, as is RVP.

Perhaps, still would be worried that would be the end of summer spending though due to the size of the transfer.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

More chance of getting players if they see we are serious about challenging and getting one of the best in the world in regardless of the price will show that.

Right now, the likes of Fellaini etc wont choose us over Man Utd cos we have shown nothing to prove we are worth joining for. These players don't want the 4th place trophy.

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I agree with this, however we won't be seeing any of those players this summer and as good as Suarez is he won't be turning us into challengers for silverware by himself, last year we had RVP who bagged 39 goals and we still couldn't challenge.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

2nd best striker in England, I don't agree.

Aguero is certainly better than he is, as is RVP.

Perhaps, still would be worried that would be the end of summer spending though due to the size of the transfer.

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Aguero? :lol:

No chance. He wasn't even better than Tevez and Tevez didn't give a fuck for the last 18 months or so.

Suarez would have been top scorer last season bar his ban. I think he's the best striker in England and a must get