Wenger Out?

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Where are the Wenger out brigade right now? :lol:

Bit early but another month like this and we'l start to really look like champions in the making.

PL games cant come soon enough and all with so many players still to come back.

The idea of sacking wenger surely seems very silly and shortsighted.

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No need for gloating just yet.

I will happily put my hand up and admit that I haven't been happy with Wenger and his player recruitment policy, but the signing of Ozil, and the improvement in the team has come as a welcome surprise.

In some ways, having all these injuries has also come as a blessing in disguise, because the likes of Cazorla & Theo should walk back into the team when fit, it will only makes us stronger.

Still early days, but the signs are very promising.

We STILL need to buy though, we are definitely short on numbers and quality in Attack and to a lesser extent Defence, but the foundations are there now and I can see progress.

Of course there is no need to gloat. You could just as easily turn around and say where are folks that wanted Stan/Gazidis/Board out?

Most people have been critical of the transfer policy for years and although it looks as though we’ve changed our approach, I still can’t understand why we couldn’t have done this 2/3 years? A class signing each year with a few bargain basement deals.

Gloating is the wrong word. I just dont understand people wanting Wenger out, at all.

He's a world class manager, and sacking him would be crazy.

Without Wenger we'd be below Spurs in the pecking order, probably we'd be an Everton type club, no chance of the PL and a tiny chance of the CL.

Anyway, the good thing is, he will never be sacked anyway, never, he will choose when he wants to go and hopefully its a long time away.

AW at least I love you!

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Gloating is the wrong word. I just dont understand people wanting Wenger out, at all.

He's a world class manager, and sacking him would be crazy.

Without Wenger we'd be below Spurs in the pecking order, probably we'd be an Everton type club, no chance of the PL and a tiny chance of the CL.

Anyway, the good thing is, he will never be sacked anyway, never, he will choose when he wants to go and hopefully its a long time away.

AW at least I love you!

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Bordering on the ridiculous there, eh? Especially since you have absolutely no way of substantiating such a strong assertion.

I am cautiously optimistic about what we can achieve this season. We have been going on 10-12 games unbeaten run in the last few seasons as well but there was never that air of positivity around the club, that is there right now. Two things responsible for that- not losing any major players in the summer and the signing of Ozil. To push on from here, it is imperative that the following happens:
- Sign a back up striker or someone who can partner Giroud
- Sort out Sagna's extension.. that guy is a beast and deserves a new contract
- Give an extension to Kos and Per asap
- Pray that we can keep this good run going till December and add some firepower

It's worth pointing out this isn't just an unbeaten run, it's an extended run of wins.

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Gloating is the wrong word. I just dont understand people wanting Wenger out, at all.

He's a world class manager, and sacking him would be crazy.

Without Wenger we'd be below Spurs in the pecking order, probably we'd be an Everton type club, no chance of the PL and a tiny chance of the CL.

Anyway, the good thing is, he will never be sacked anyway, never, he will choose when he wants to go and hopefully its a long time away.

AW at least I love you!

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How on earth do you know that we'd be shit without Wumger. If someone like Laudrup or Guardiola had arrived at the Emirates a few years ago due to the fact that we've been shit for 8 years, how do you know we would be below Spurs now.
With sensible signings of quality for decent money that we COULD afford, we may well be competing with Chavski & the Mancs far better than we have done.
Stop thinking the past month has changed all our lives. We all going to get "Wengered" up the arse again when he spends fuck all in Jan.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I am cautiously optimistic about what we can achieve this season. We have been going on 10-12 games unbeaten run in the last few seasons as well but there was never that air of positivity around the club, that is there right now. Two things responsible for that- not losing any major players in the summer and the signing of Ozil. To push on from here, it is imperative that the following happens:
- Sign a back up striker or someone who can partner Giroud
- Sort out Sagna's extension.. that guy is a beast and deserves a new contract
- Give an extension to Kos and Per asap
- Pray that we can keep this good run going till December and add some firepower

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We didn't lose any players in the transfer window because nobody wanted any of em! Apart from Jack & Santi, Wumger had ruined the rest. Good job Ramsey didn't play like this last year or else we would have sold him - probably to one of the Manc clubs.
Not sure about Sagna extension - he's average at best & is the 2nd worse crosser known to man - after Walcock.
Agree about Kos & Per
Don't agree with praying, Wumgers turned me atheist.

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Originally Posted by GayPete

It's worth pointing out this isn't just an unbeaten run, it's an extended run of wins.

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It is not quite an unbeaten one as Villa did us on our own turf but you are right to point out that generally the upturn in results have been rolling out since we beat Bayern Munich. The team showed a different kind of resolve from that result on and it is nice to see that the back end of last season was not a fleeting run of results attained due to the pressure of finishing 4th alone.

Ramsey has been the stand out player since that game too but Wenger has been a little fortunate with his goal return and he has even been quoted on not expecting him to score so many. Ramsey's goals are saving us from the dire truth of having a player who vowed never to play for us again as our back up centre forward. If he stops scoring then I suspect our poor forward options will cost us.

Clearly we can't win every game but Wenger does have a lot of work to do still and a lot of the questioning he has received has been reasonably justifiable and continues to be so. I desperately wanted him to change/alter his ways and he monumentally did that is signing a player for more money than I could ever imagine he would.

I'd have been delighted just to see him spend 20-25 million on genuine quality and then he went out and spent twice that. Like others I do get the arse about people who seem to suggest Arsenal would be nothing without Wenger. I'm not one of those into marginalising his affect on us but Arsenal were a great club who appointed a promising manager who then became a great manager. Not the other way round.

18 wins from 21 I read somewhere. It's incredible form and that rate we'd surely win the title let alone challenge for it.

We'll undoubtedly hit a bad patch, it's just a case of whether that transpires into the usual winter of discontent or we can dust ourselves off and go again.

It would also be nice if we could chalk up some wins against the other challengers, as we haven't been too hot against them in recent memory.

I think what's quite interesting is that we've been notoriously bad starters of games. Last season we often found ourselves a goal down early and then we had the best second half record out of everyone. In this '18 wins from 21' form, we usually don't look in the game in the first half.

But now that seems to be a tactic. It's like we accept we're going to be shit and so just work hard on defending by purposely staying on the back-foot in the first half and not trying anything risky. And then we trust our fitness levels to take the opposition on running power alone in the second half. Looking at the goals we're scoring recently, it's not like we're doing anything special from a technique POV. It's just athlete ball and the opposition getting physically tired.

In the bigger games - and by that I mean the CL - our inability to keep 65% possession might get us into trouble. But it's hard to see it being too much of a problem in the league.

Although this season Swansea was the first game we didnt score in the first 25 minutes so goes against what you are saying. And the only game we have lost was the only game we gone behind in and had to chase.

saw a stat that said if you took the last 38 games played in the league, we would be second.


its a slightly skewed stat given that we will have played some teams twice and others not at all, ie swansea away twice in that run. however its showing very pleasing form, and a real desire to win. 18 wins in last 21 games. 9 wins in a row since villa loss. some have been games we expect to win (stoke, fenerbache, sunderland) but still you have to win. swansea and spurs were very tough games and a draw would have been acceptable but we won. if we keep this run going, the same desiere and passion shown so far, then one loss wont hurt us. just look at villa. long way to go yet but so far, so good

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Originally Posted by Bumble

Although this season Swansea was the first game we didnt score in the first 25 minutes so goes against what you are saying. And the only game we have lost was the only game we gone behind in and had to chase.

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we havnt gone behind in a single game this season. we scored first against villa.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

we havnt gone behind in a single game this season. we scored first against villa.

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to lose you have to go behind though.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

to lose you have to go behind though.

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sorry misread your post, i thought it said that the villa game we were behind all game. of course to lose you have to be behind but you meant villa took the lead and we just scored a consolation

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

sorry misread your post, i thought it said that the villa game we were behind all game. of course to lose you have to be behind but you meant villa took the lead and we just scored a consolation

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no just meant that villa are the only team who have lead against us at any point in the match. I think we are a bit naive when chasing the game.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

no just meant that villa are the only team who have lead against us at any point in the match. I think we are a bit naive when chasing the game.

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not sure on that. havnt really been tested by being behind this season, but the more games that go by, the more that loss looks like it was heavily down to the referee in the villa game.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

saw a stat that said if you took the last 38 games played in the league, we would be second.


its a slightly skewed stat given that we will have played some teams twice and others not at all, ie swansea away twice in that run. however its showing very pleasing form, and a real desire to win. 18 wins in last 21 games. 9 wins in a row since villa loss. some have been games we expect to win (stoke, fenerbache, sunderland) but still you have to win. swansea and spurs were very tough games and a draw would have been acceptable but we won. if we keep this run going, the same desiere and passion shown so far, then one loss wont hurt us. just look at villa. long way to go yet but so far, so good

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this. our run may not have been created from winning against the elite of the PL but thats no fault of ours......in fact in seasons past, it has been the lower teams, the teams we should have beaten that have been our undoing! a run such as this can only be great for the morale of the team.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Of course there is no need to gloat. You could just as easily turn around and say where are folks that wanted Stan/Gazidis/Board out?

Most people have been critical of the transfer policy for years and although it looks as though we’ve changed our approach, I still can’t understand why we couldn’t have done this 2/3 years? A class signing each year with a few bargain basement deals.

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To be fair, I wanted everybody out and for them to take Ramsey with them.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

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this. our run may not have been created from winning against the elite of the PL but thats no fault of ours......in fact in seasons past, it has been the lower teams, the teams we should have beaten that have been our undoing! a run such as this can only be great for the morale of the team.

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Honestly there really isn't any elite teams in the PL. Basically we take care of business against teams, we are better than. We will be in the shout for the title, which is what this team does very well(beating the lessers).

I do love how no one is giving us a chance at the League, the less attention we get, the better.

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If Arsène Wenger lost each of his next 130 games in charge, he would still have the best win percentage of any Arsenal boss in history #AW17

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

18 wins from 21 I read somewhere. It's incredible form and that rate we'd surely win the title let alone challenge for it.

We'll undoubtedly hit a bad patch, it's just a case of whether that transpires into the usual winter of discontent or we can dust ourselves off and go again.

It would also be nice if we could chalk up some wins against the other challengers, as we haven't been too hot against them in recent memory.

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Yep, our current form is outstanding. Moreover, this is the first time in a long time where I geniunely feel confident playing our rivals, I think we have the beating of all of them, though I do think we need our strongest XI to do so. I.E. Cazorla & Theo coming back at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner

Bordering on the ridiculous there, eh? Especially since you have absolutely no way of substantiating such a strong assertion.

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I Should have said the chances are would be below them, going on money availiable a lesser manager would likely have us behind spurs. With all the money the pl has now I just think we're v lucky to have got wenger when we did and kept him, and if we hadnt, and hadnt arrived at the emirates I think we'd be far back in the pl, nearer everton.

And in response to another poster (dein machine), if we had of got another manager 99/100 he'd not have been Guardiola quality.

It could be worse. We could have David f***ing Moyes! :lol:

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Originally Posted by GayPete

Arsenal FC ‏@Arsenal 3m
If Arsène Wenger lost each of his next 130 games in charge, he would still have the best win percentage of any Arsenal boss in history #AW17

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Wonderful , he'd also be the longest serving Arsenal manager that had one fuck all in a decade.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Wonderful , he'd also be the longest serving Arsenal manager that had one fuck all in a decade.

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Originally Posted by GayPete

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Cyber bully

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Gloating is the wrong word. I just dont understand people wanting Wenger out, at all.

He's a world class manager, and sacking him would be crazy.

Without Wenger we'd be below Spurs in the pecking order, probably we'd be an Everton type club, no chance of the PL and a tiny chance of the CL.

Anyway, the good thing is, he will never be sacked anyway, never, he will choose when he wants to go and hopefully its a long time away.

AW at least I love you!

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Regardless of the word, we haven't achieved anything yet and we could just as easily finish 5th as we could win the Title so I really don't think now is the time to start the "I told you so" type conversation.

The rest of your post is based on your own personal assumptions and carries no weight whatsoever, not a single fact or shread of evidence to suggest we would have struggled without him over the past decade.

Atfer 8 years of not winning a thing, it's taken 1 expensive signing and a good start to the season for some to come out and claim he's untouchable and should never been sacked.

There's a long way to go in the season and things can change a lot, an injury or two in the wrong positions and we'll find it much harder, the squad isn't strong enough IMO and it should be as we had enough time to recruit in the summer.

He needs to deliver this season and he needs to strenghten in January to have any chance IMO, otherwise we should wave goodbye to him next summer, my opinion hasn't changed on that.

Replacing him will be hard, simply because he's been here so long and everything is built around him (a bit like it was at Man U), but we have to do it at some point and if he's not delivering success it's as good at time as any.

We have to look at why he hasn't delivered the success after the early glory years. Do any of us really know if he had a decent transfer budget every year in spite of stadium repayments. If so we can blame him & not the board for the lack of quality signings to allow us to compete. If someone came out & said it was imperative that AW could only spend whatever he sold due to stadium debt then we can all agree that he's done a wonderful job to keep us in the top 4 & have continued C.L football. I would be happy to give him time to see what could be achieved if he was willing to buy world class players & agree that he's changed his ways but the single signing of Ozil isn't enough to suggest that has happened yet.
I simply believe that he is a man of principal & stuck in his philosophy of turning good young prospects into great players rather than buying the finished article. His problem is that when you don't have successful teams these great players fuck off. On top of that we have had silly money spent at Chavski & Man Shity to fast track their success & left us stuck with a philosophy that simply cannot work in the new mega bucks era for football.
The Jan window will be key for AW, he can change a lot of the negativity if he acts quickly to bring in at least one quality defender & striker. It will continue the feel good factor in the squad that we are becoming the team everyone is talking about & it will mean all players will be having to produce on a weekly basis to keep their place. If however he thinks the signing of Ozil is enough money spent & we have quality throughout the rest of the team to compete then he needs to go as quickly as possible.

Arse and Nose.

And eyes and ears and mouth and nose.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVhmqftIMAAw0ZG.jpg

Looks really angry in that second to last picture.

I'd always viewed DM as AWs replacement down the road. I think DMs problems as inherited in the squad left by AF and feel his problems stem from not getting 3 BIG signings in the summer.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It could be worse. We could have David f***ing Moyes! :lol:

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Originally Posted by footloose, the wanderer

I'd always viewed DM as AWs replacement down the road. I think DMs problems as inherited in the squad left by AF and feel his problems stem from not getting 3 BIG signings in the summer.

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It's fair to say i viewed a lot of people (especially recently as AW isn't getting any younger) as potential replacements for him....but Moyes was not one of them.

Whilst Wenger has us playing the kind of football and producing the kind of performances that we did last night, i am more than happy with him at the club. The trick for him now is to convert that into something tangible (i.e silverware).

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Originally Posted by footloose, the wanderer

I'd always viewed DM as AWs replacement down the road. I think DMs problems as inherited in the squad left by AF and feel his problems stem from not getting 3 BIG signings in the summer.

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The lack of signings in the summer and Rooney situation disrupted the summer. But Moyes isn't the right man for us. His philosophy on football is totally different to what we do here. He was left the Champion. Hard to say he inherited a bad team. Imagine where we'd be if he'd take over Arsenal in that case.