Match Reaction vs Borussia Dortmund (away).

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Originally Posted by Steve French

There are some paralells with Jack. But they are limited to on the pitch. Off the pitch, you never heard from Rambo any of the crap surrounding Jack. I'm genuinely worried that Jack lacks the same level of maturity shown by Ramsey.

I could be wrong though. I was spectacularly wrong about Ramsey - as were many others. When you think about what he went through and the flack Ramsey subsequently got from a significant portion of his own support - it makes what he has achieved even more remarkable.

Make no mistake - Ramsey is a strong character.

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Indeed, no doubt Jack lacks the maturity of Ramsey, and probably some of the smart self-awareness as well. Rambo gets slated for being interviewistically dull, but he is giving the textbook, non-answers of a seasoned sports pro. Speak in generalisations, remain non-committal, and never ever say anything controversial.

On the other hand, Jack's propensity to wear his heart on his sleeve probably means he'll get a lot more leeway from supporters.
There's a lot of goodwill toward him and the desire to see him do well. He'll be given every chance, and he's never lacked for determination. The hardest fight he'll have is with the flaws in his own character which apparently Ramsey didn't have.

My biggest worry about Jack, is where are we gonna place him in this team? Our #8 and #10 are amongst the best in the world and they're both young and in Ramsey's case he's probably staying at Arsenal forever and Özil will only leave if we get a super silly offer for him. If he could develop better defensive skills, i could see him be a better version of Arteta, but i dont think he is mature enough for that right now.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

My biggest worry about Jack, is where are we gonna place him in this team? Our #8 and #10 are amongst the best in the world and they're both young and in Ramsey's case he's probably staying at Arsenal forever and Özil will only leave if we get a super silly offer for him. If he could develop better defensive skills, i could see him be a better version of Arteta, but i dont think he is mature enough for that right now.

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You don't have to play everyone at the same time though - think of it as the start of a strong squad, where we can rest and rotate at will...

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

You don't have to play everyone at the same time though - think of it as the start of a strong squad, where we can rest and rotate at will...

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I think if you're gonna be amongst the best and Jack certainly have the potential for that, you need to be playing as much as possible and not be a rotation player. You need to atleast be a part of the starting eleven and right now, i dont see how he should make it in to the starting eleven as long as Ramsey and Özil are playing.

omg

We beat Dortmund on their own patch :lol:

I might be in the minority but I don't rate him that highly, he's a good player don't get me wrong but nowhere near the player he's hyped up to be.

I don't really see a place for him in the team as it stands, he's a decent sub but that's it. IMO his career record with regards the impact he has on games with assists and goals isn't great.

I also don't really like his behaviour off the field, it's not really Arsenal and to be honest quite childish at times.

what exactly has he done wrong off the field? not that i really pay attention to footballers gossip but as far as i can make out, the only thing that has hit the press is him having one cig during a night out. now i could be wrong here but he hasn't been racist, hasn't been pictured smashed out of his face vomitting everywhere at 4am and nor has he slept with thousands of women who are not his girlfriend. he's gone out a few times, (haven't we all) but generally not done anything to bring the club into disgrace.


while its fine to doubt his ability in becoming the next messi, its clear he is talented, we can disagree on how good he is and thats fine, we both have valid reasons but you keep bringing up his behaviour off the field and i just don't get why. its not bad at all

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

what exactly has he done wrong off the field? not that i really pay attention to footballers gossip but as far as i can make out, the only thing that has hit the press is him having one cig during a night out. now i could be wrong here but he hasn't been racist, hasn't been pictured smashed out of his face vomitting everywhere at 4am and nor has he slept with thousands of women who are not his girlfriend. he's gone out a few times, (haven't we all) but generally not done anything to bring the club into disgrace.


while its fine to doubt his ability in becoming the next messi, its clear he is talented, we can disagree on how good he is and thats fine, we both have valid reasons but you keep bringing up his behaviour off the field and i just don't get why. its not bad at all

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Yeah, I think it's ned flandersy too. But ultimately what is said doesn't really matter does it? We'll see what happens long term.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Yeah, I think it's ned flandersy too. But ultimately what is said doesn't really matter does it? We'll see what happens long term.

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If Jack were Ned Flanders, he'd be the Canadian version (allegedly).

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

what exactly has he done wrong off the field? not that i really pay attention to footballers gossip but as far as i can make out, the only thing that has hit the press is him having one cig during a night out. now i could be wrong here but he hasn't been racist, hasn't been pictured smashed out of his face vomitting everywhere at 4am and nor has he slept with thousands of women who are not his girlfriend. he's gone out a few times, (haven't we all) but generally not done anything to bring the club into disgrace.


while its fine to doubt his ability in becoming the next messi, its clear he is talented, we can disagree on how good he is and thats fine, we both have valid reasons but you keep bringing up his behaviour off the field and i just don't get why. its not bad at all

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Obviously there's the ciggie, but there's also the comments about English players and the national team and all the Twitter stuff he posts which I have to say are cringeworthy at times.

Anway more to the point, he seems to have built up a massive reputation without really having had much to do for it, he's been injured more often than not in recent times. Once he proves himself on the field then people can rave about him, but the odd moment here and there really isn't enough, thus far in his career he's been guilty of overrunning the ball.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Obviously there's the ciggie, but there's also the comments about English players and the national team and all the Twitter stuff he posts which I have to say are cringeworthy at times.

Anway more to the point, he seems to have built up a massive reputation without really having had much to do for it, he's been injured more often than not in recent times. Once he proves himself on the field then people can rave about him, but the odd moment here and there really isn't enough, thus far in his career he's been guilty of overrunning the ball.

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So you're saying Wilshere is a nutcase off the field, because of a recent picture of him with a cig and a media twisted story? :haha:

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

So you're saying Wilshere is a nutcase off the field, because of a recent picture of him with a cig and a media twisted story? :haha:

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and his dum Twitter comments, yes.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Obviously there's the ciggie, but there's also the comments about English players and the national team and all the Twitter stuff he posts which I have to say are cringeworthy at times.

Anway more to the point, he seems to have built up a massive reputation without really having had much to do for it, he's been injured more often than not in recent times. Once he proves himself on the field then people can rave about him, but the odd moment here and there really isn't enough, thus far in his career he's been guilty of overrunning the ball.

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He's built his reputation on the basis of one standout season before he got injured, including a Motm display against barca in a famous win. Wether he will get back to that level amd improve is debatable given recent injuries, however as we have seem with Ramsey, it's foolish to write a player off who clearly has talent because of injuries. Wether he will do a Ramsey or become a diaby we can't be sure but he's a talented player and will improve. Now with Ramsey being in form of his life. Ozil etc the pressure is off jack to improve and at the same time be our best player


Going back to the off field stuff, the cig IMO is minor but I can just about see your point on that. The England team comments are not something you can use against him given everyone pretty much agrees with him. Amd his twitter? I follow him and he never says anything bad so unless I missed it, I think you need to expand further in that

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

He's built his reputation on the basis of one standout season before he got injured, including a Motm display against barca in a famous win. Wether he will get back to that level amd improve is debatable given recent injuries, however as we have seem with Ramsey, it's foolish to write a player off who clearly has talent because of injuries. Wether he will do a Ramsey or become a diaby we can't be sure but he's a talented player and will improve. Now with Ramsey being in form of his life. Ozil etc the pressure is off jack to improve and at the same time be our best player


Going back to the off field stuff, the cig IMO is minor but I can just about see your point on that. The England team comments are not something you can use against him given everyone pretty much agrees with him. Amd his twitter? I follow him and he never says anything bad so unless I missed it, I think you need to expand further in that

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It's not so much a case of saying bad things, more a case of being totally cringeworthy with some of his comments, it's literally as if a 10 year old was posting messages at times.

I just think the club should ban him from using Twitter to be honest, for his own good more than anything else.

But what is it he says? Often he praises fans, says great win or apologies for loss amd will try harder next time. What exactly does he tweet that annoys you? Come on give examples otherwise you just look petty

I can't remember exact comments, but a few have been posted on here (and linked to on here) and I remember thinking they were cringeworthy.

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Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere
Also I forgot to thank everybody who voted for my Goal against Norwich to win goal of the month!

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Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere
Thank you @_OlivierGiroud_ for the assist! Great flick! Some decent football was played today! Well done lads! Thanks to the fans as well!

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Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere
Someone once told me 'Fail to prepare, Prepare to fail!'. Always stuck with me! Recover and prepare! Thanks for the support last night!

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Ban this shit right now.

Cringe!

Yeah it's not everything obviously :rolleyes: Just the chavvy stuff written in poor English he comes out with.

You can suck his c*ck all you like, but I won't be doing so.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yeah it's not everything obviously :rolleyes: Just the chavvy stuff written in poor English he comes out with.

You can suck his c*ck all you like, but I won't be doing so.

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what chavvy stuff in poor in english though? come on Zimm at least use some examples to back up your claims instead of just coming out with claims that you have no facts to back them up with. He's probably sent 1000's of tweets, I'm sure some of them won't be in perfect english, but most of his tweets tend to be, working hard to get back in team, great win, thanks for the support, proud to be called up for england, sorry for the loss, we will try harder next match.

nothing wrong with those

Why does it matter if he speaks in "chavvy poor English" anyway? He's not working towards getting a PhD in English language is he?

He most likely didn't have the best education, coupled with spending most on the pitch instead of the classroom and where he grew up, I'm not astonished that he doesn't sound like Shakespeare all of a sudden. Why the need to engage in class warfare Zim?

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

what chavvy stuff in poor in english though? come on Zimm at least use some examples to back up your claims instead of just coming out with claims that you have no facts to back them up with. He's probably sent 1000's of tweets, I'm sure some of them won't be in perfect english, but most of his tweets tend to be, working hard to get back in team, great win, thanks for the support, proud to be called up for england, sorry for the loss, we will try harder next match.

nothing wrong with those

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Like I said I can't quote exact examples, but I've seen them a number of times when people have posted his Twitter exchanges, IMO he should stay off Twitter. His comments about the English and the England team were also :doh:

Some people just aren't really made for talking to the media etc and he's one of them and for that reason I think he should just keep to himself and focus on his football.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Like I said I can't quote exact examples, but I've seen them a number of times when people have posted his Twitter exchanges, IMO he should stay off Twitter. His comments about the English and the England team were also :doh:

Some people just aren't really made for talking to the media etc and he's one of them and for that reason I think he should just keep to himself and focus on his footballer.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Why does it matter if he speaks in "chavvy poor English" anyway? He's not working towards getting a PhD in English language is he?

He most likely didn't have the best education, coupled with spending most on the pitch instead of the classroom and where he grew up, I'm not astonished that he doesn't sound like Shakespeare all of a sudden. Why the need to engage in class warfare Zim?

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I guess it doesn't matter, but if you're not that smart I suggest staying out of the media, some players are good at handling the media and answering questions the way they should be answered, he isn't really.

It's not class warfare at all, more to do with level of intelligence and he doesn't come across as that intelligent (even in interviews) so I think it would be better for him to stay away from all things like that so that he doesn't make himself look daft.

He's good at football so that's what he should be doing, playing football, we all have different talents.

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Originally Posted by GayPete

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Shouldn't you be planning your skiing trip with those imaginary friends of yours?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Shouldn't you be planning your skiing trip with those imaginary friends of yours?

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Just because you've been found to be guilty of the very thing you're accusing others of, don't take it out on me.

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Originally Posted by GayPete

Just because you've been found to be guilty of the very thing you're accusing others of, don't take it out on me.

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I've not been found guilty of anything, it's just a spelling mistake, I can clearly see it's wrong upon looking at it. My grasp of the English language however is pretty good all in all.

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anyway here's a chinese match reaction in imperfect english

http://www.arsenalfantv.com/chinese-...n-at-dortmund/

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Originally Posted by Maestro

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anyway here's a chinese match reaction in imperfect english

http://www.arsenalfantv.com/chinese-...n-at-dortmund/

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"COME ON ARSENAAAAL! FUCKING BEAT MAN UNITEEEEEED!! ON SUNDAYYYY!"
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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Why does it matter if he speaks in "chavvy poor English" anyway? He's not working towards getting a PhD in English language is he?

He most likely didn't have the best education, coupled with spending most on the pitch instead of the classroom and where he grew up, I'm not astonished that he doesn't sound like Shakespeare all of a sudden. Why the need to engage in class warfare Zim?

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http://www.selloutyoursoul.com/2010/...r-grad-school/

Subotic with a cruciate injury apparently.

Dortmund. :rose:

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Subotic with a cruciate injury apparently.

Dortmund. :rose:

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Ouch, how long is Mats Hummels out for again?

Had to be stretchered off:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYpagjGCIAAZA1c.jpg

Not sure exactly but it should be a close run thing whether he is back for the Napoli game or not.

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Originally Posted by Özim

and his dum Twitter comments, yes.

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I see...

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Originally Posted by cricketsi

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dum

I see...

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Originally Posted by Özim

Like I said I can't quote exact examples, but I've seen them a number of times when people have posted his Twitter exchanges, IMO he should stay off Twitter. His comments about the English and the England team were also :doh:

Some people just aren't really made for talking to the media etc and he's one of them and for that reason I think he should just keep to himself and focus on his football.

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