You guys aren't stupid and know what I mean. The longer he leaves it the worse the speculation gets. It should be business as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
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You guys aren't stupid and know what I mean. The longer he leaves it the worse the speculation gets. It should be business as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
No. All of it because even though every fucker in the media has been sceptical of us this season, many fans still believed. And journo's and pundits alike like nothing more than being proved right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Thats the nicest thing you ever said about me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
just need to get through Monday, tell the haters at work to fuck off and blank the media. we'll be right as rain by midweek.
COYG, we go again come the weekend. it is what it is.
Latest media apology for maureen's foul behaviour on Saturday. Remember that time Wenger didn't shake hands with Pardew? How many days did that one roll on for? But when a classless cunt like maureen does it then it's understandable. Justified even. Classless doesn't adequately describe this maggot. There must be a better word for it.Quote:
The Portuguese's brisk departure down the tunnel with normal time still ticking down was apparently born of a desire to telephone his wife with news of the result. When a victory resonates this momentously, such urgency seems more justified.
After Wenger's "Nobody's fault but mine" post match interview I was cautiously optimistic that he was acknowledging how he'd got it so completely wrong tactically. But now he's saying he's puzzled by how bad his players were etc.
You set yourself up for a fall Arsene, Steve Bould told you this why won't you listen to him?
Journos, pundits and internet warriors :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Really looking forward to work.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Never gonna learn from his mistakes ergo wont move us forward.
Now that we've been humiliated time and again by the big teams, its clear that we havent made any real progress from last season. 4th, out of the CL at the first KO stages and bullied off the park (in a major way this season) by the big boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHSg...ature=youtu.be
Well done, bunch of cunts losing 6-0. Must've been embarassing that, especially from the plastics.
The early season form following the arrival of Ozil put us in a false position, a long run of games against mediocre teams saw us top the league aided by some poor early form from the Mancs, Chavs & Scousers. Then we played Man u, Chavs, Everton & Man city and decided to go into "shit ourselves" mode - too many on here couldn't see it. If we are going to continue to let this obnoxious, arrogant old fool manage our team nothing will change.
Massive clearout needed in the summer starting with Wenger. If any other manager, in any other form of employment, continued to lose out on big contracts to rival companies because of his pricing,negotiations, not investing in quality staff etc - they would have been sacked ages ago. His dealings in the transfer market are unbelievable, only the wankers on the board, too scared to stand up to him, can be the only ones not shaking their heads - we simply cannot afford for him to be in charge during the next window otherwise 2015 will be no different.
Get rid of Gibbs or Monreal ( whichever one stays is LB cover ) Vermaelan, Jenkinson, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Giroud, Bendtner, Podolski, Sonogo (we haven't got time to teach him how to shoot or control a ball), Sagna (leaving anyway).
The only players we should look to start with next year are Sir Ches, Kos, Rambo, Ozil, Ox & Walcott. Players like Cazorla & Wheelchair need to prove themselves from the bench. Merts CB cover
This leaves us needing to find 2 quality full backs & centre back. Defensive midfielder. Powerhouse midfielder ( Ya-Ya like ), 2 quality strikers with pace & technique ( Suarez/Sturridge like ).
This would be the ideal time for a new manager to come in & have a say in these players, putting his own stamp on things from the start.
In other words get some arab criminals in and spend hundreds of millions of quid?
Early season form? After 29 games we were 4 points off the top with a game in hand. And we're in the FA Cup semi-final.
We clearly don't need a massive clear out.
No - the rubbish can be sold to bring in £50mill + the £100 mill we are told we have to spend. We can't buy £50 mill+ like others do on one player, especially as we need quite a few but we need to buy quality £20-30 mill players instead of Flamini, Sonogo & Khalstrom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger's full comments to put what he said in context for those who have already read the selective hit pieces designed to mislead:
He's saying pretty much what we have all said. He even gets slaughtered when he agrees with us. This demonstrates it's just a wild and unfocused hate campaign against the guy (by some at least) rather than a constructive criticism.Quote:
‘You could blame and blame but it does not help,’ said Wenger as he strode to the team bus on Saturday.
‘What is important is we show we have the capacity to respond. The most disappointing thing is we were never in the game. After 20 minutes, it was game over and it became a long, dramatic, dreadful afternoon.
‘It is puzzling. We were shocked and knocked down basically without feeling we ever had a chance. This team is healthy and willing but we have to think about the way it happened because it is not the first time.’
If we are to compete at the top which hopefully you would like us to, please advise which current top teams in Europe would start games with Gibbs or Monreal, Flamini, Arteta, Podolski, Giroud, Rosicky, Sonogo in their line-up or which top teams would purchase any of these. At times this year, all of these have started for us & will continue to do so under Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Unless players are happy to be squad players, we need a BIG clearout.
NQ - what do you expect him to say? If you saying we should applaud his honesty why doesn't he say - " Sorry, I shit myself everytime I play a top team as I know I am tactically inept compared to their more modern managers & because I won't buy quality players when I so obviously needed to do so in certain positions this team doesn't have the ability to compete" - Then I'd applaud him, otherwise he gets what he deserves. If I was paid £7mill a year & delivered the same inept performances against my main competitors year in,year out - I'd expect the same. Difference being, i would have been sacked years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You're kinda changing the subject. You started by saying it was only our early season form which saw us in a false position. That's simply not true. After 29 games we were 4 points off the top with a game in hand. We were in the title race until Saturday. Some of the players you mentioned aren't first team regulars anyway and as for the rest...well, certainly we need more up front, we all know that, but our squad can't be that bad or we wouldn't have stayed up there for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
No, I posted it to counter the idea that ALL he said was he was puzzled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Also, there is an amazing correlation between these "modern" managers and the billions they have spent or inherited, don't you think? Are there no modern managers below us in the table? And if there are, is it correct to claim complete incompetence in all aspects of football? because if you are completely incompetent then how do you end up with a team placed above most of these modern greats after 30 games? It makes no sense. Perhaps there is a middle ground buried beneath the media guff. Problems yes, offset against respectable achievement.
Sometimes you just have to accept that there really is no hope. Too far gone for rationalising with some.
With the irony being that finally there is genuine hope.
No subject change - I said "early season" - You said "after 29 games" - hardly early season. My point was that, as per usual, once we had shit ourselves against the better teams we should have seen the writing on the wall for this year, some of us did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
No subject change - BIG clearout needed - if we are to compete with the big boys. If you want to scrap for 4th/5th/6th every year & hopefully nick a cup now & again, then I agree with you. It really depends on what you expect from the promises you were made by our board.
Arteta was a fucking embarrassment.
Looking back at the highlights of the first half, it's laughable how the transexual pouting bastard tries to run back to catch their players at the pace of a snail.
What a bang average player. How he's starting for a top 4 team is beyond me.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If we're going to have this conversation, then I think it's important to make the distinction between manager and head coach: Wenger, for me, is a manager (and maybe one of the last genuine managers left in the game at a top club), and the reason he's paid so much is because his list of responsibilities for the past two decades has extended a lot further than simply handling first team matters (also, when you've been at a single employer that long, the yearly incremental pay increases tend to add up); guys like Jose Mourinho are head coaches - very good at what he does, yes, but he has no other responsibilities beyond putting the first team together and getting them ready for matches (incidentally, Jose, this is why you are judged solely on the success you achieve on the pitch and Arsene Wenger is not - because that's the only criteria by which anyone can judge you).
Personally speaking, I don't think Arsene Wenger has anything to apologize for - the Jose Mourinhos of this world may well point to the recent trophiless years, but winning trophies isn't quite as unique and special as the special one would like everyone to think. Sure, it's what the fans want to see, but you'll find hundreds of other coaches and managers who have won trophies in their time (Wenger included). What Wenger has achieved from a management POV though, during his time at the club, is almost unique, and I'm really struggling to think of anyone else who could have done the same job? To have emerged from nearly a decade of being financially hamstrung, whilst your rivals have been more powerful (and more numerous) than ever, with one of the best new stadiums in the world, state of the art training facilities, hundreds of millions of pounds of new sponsorship money coming in, the largest cash reserves of any club in the world, and a team that has managed to consistently stay in the CL spots and is only really behind clubs that are being bankrolled by reckless billionaires, is quite frankly remarkable. Sure, this has all come at a cost - as a head coach, it looks like Arsene has fallen behind the times a bit, and the first team certainly hasn't been as successful as it could have been if we'd been fully focussed on it - but make no mistake; we've needed a top manager to steer us through this period far more than we've needed top coach to chuck money around and win the odd cup.
Now that doesn't mean that question marks about Wenger's future, and where we go from here aren't completely valid: whilst I think the man's achievements as a manager are extraordinary, I've also said that I think he's slipped a little bit behind the times on the coaching front, and the massive irony here is that, through his work, we now have a modern day super-club, where most things take care of themselves, and where it's perfectly reasonable to ask whether we actually still need a manager who runs everything any more, or whether we'd now be better off with a specialist head coach, with more up-to-date methods and fresh ideas, who's only responsibility is the success of the first team? If that's the case then I don't think Arsene should feel any shame about stepping down - even if we bottle the FA Cup, he can hold his head high, knowing that he's been the most successful manager in our history, has given us the best teams and the best footballing moments we've ever had (and may ever have) as Arsenal fans, and has left us this remarkable legacy, where all future Arsenal coaches / managers will have nothing very much to worry about.
What I think is utterly out of order and completely unnecessary, though, is the ridicule and abuse that Wenger is constantly subjected to - no, we haven't won anything for a few years, and , yes, we've slipped behind our main rivals, but look at the league table and how we're doing in other competitions: we're still better than 99% of the clubs out there across the world, even if we keep falling short, and we probably have more potential than anyone else right now. Show the man the respect he deserves, because a large part of our remarkable potential is down to his vision and careful management...
Why do you think a big clear out of players will make a change. The new players coming in will soon be indoctrinated into the same lethargic, crass performances that we have seen for 7 years. If you have cancer in your brain. A leg transplant is not going to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Get to the root of the problem if you really wish to make a change
If you took the time to read my post you will see it starts with Wenger outQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Suitably contrite me. I saw the cut and paste job and thought it was the whole post. If Wenger cannot fathom the problems, then he is not the man to fix them. Here's hopingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I saw a comment after the game that sums things up, in a capital city where there's 1 camera to spy on every 5 people, it's somewhat amazing football pitches are a camera free zone.Quote:
Martínez believes introducing live video replays for decisions during matches would be going too far. He said: "I think we would be going a little bit too far. I think goal-line technology was a really important breakthrough but from that point on I think we need to allow referees to do their job."
Also it's a little unfair on Marriner because he didn't even see the handball. He got a message from some incompetent moron on the sidelines that caused him to drop such a clanger. Whoever that retard was has managed to escape scrutiny and has left the ref to carry the can. What a coward, what a piece of shit.
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Originally Posted by I am invisible
Wenger has his flaws, and I believe it is time for him to call it a day at the end of the season.
But he deserves better than some of the vitriole spouted by so called Arsenal fans.
We've been successful with our appeal. Ox won't serve a ban neither will Gibbs. They got something right!
That was a top top post by I am Invisible.
As for the appeal, while Mariner got the decision wrong, everything he has done since that point has been handled as well as it could have and he should be commended for that.
They just want it to go away as fast as possible so they can get back to their incompetence and corruption.
I thought they were beneath mention? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Sometimes they get stuck on your shoe and you can't help notice them.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
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Originally Posted by I am invisible
But you've missed the main reason for the Wenger reaction. It's the realisation that, for all that Wenger has brought the club - he has been left behind as a football coach.
Kinda although the FA have been hoisted on the petard of their own stupid rules. If the ref thought it was a red then it should be transferred to Ox but their rules don't allow that. It's debatable whether it was a red card so arguably they have got it right but for the wrong reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
They transferred over the red to Ox but also ruled that the ref got it wrong because the ball wasn't going in the back of the net. Ox gets a yellow so I think they've got it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
While glad ox isn't banned, it's a bit of a joke that he isn't. He made a diving save in the box ffs. That's a clear red
I think the are you get a red for a clear goal scoring opportunity and that wasn't the case so it was a yellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist