haha what a Joker.
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haha what a Joker.
Don't know why he's being flamed for that, questionable replacements yes :lol: , but the basis of it is that we need a manager who tells it like it is.
We need a manager who is willing to change things around, rather than just sitting on his arse and watching the team get smashed. Had Wenger made some changes at 2-0 , we might have had a chance to nick something atleast.
If you reckon Sherwood is a better option, you're probably going to get a less than serious response.
New Wenger quotes being released, he didn't have a conference but did a media thing with the club website
https://twitter.com/gunnerblog
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AW: "You need to analyse as well the fact that we were down to 10 men & the offensive quality of Chelsea on the counter attack is very good"
AW: "We just came out of 2 convincing results at Bayern Munich and at Tottenham so you have to think that [Chelsea] was an accident."
AW: "An accident has happened, that doesn't mean that you're not a good driver."
AW: "We have played about 40 games this season and it's not what happened on Saturday that reflects the quality of this team."
Wenger on the team for Swansea: "There will be some refreshment because we have some players who have given a lot."
"When you attack with 10 men you know you have more chances to concede another."
AW thinks comparisons with Liverpool away fair, City no. "I believe Man City was different. Liverpool, yes."
AW: "At the moment there's no rational explanation other than the quality of our opponents & that we were caught at the start of the game."
AW on why this happens: "Why? We don't really know."
LOL
It is pathetic how some Arsenal supporters delight in holding a man who is Arsenal through and through up to ridicule. An absolute disgrace and I am more embarrassed to be associated with them than any result over the past 18 years.
Is Owen Coyle in a job at the moment? Surely we could get him in?
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
He said he doesn't know why we lost 6-0Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
He should come on here to find out. Silly old fool. Incompetent. Shit bastard who deserves to die. And his family.
COYG
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Well he has been incompetent that's for sure. He's calling it an accident. Getting beat 6-0 isn't on when it isn't the only thrashing we've had this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm sure he's telling the team exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
It isn't on - it is hardly intentional.Unlike the intentional ridicule and glee in heaping ridicule on a man that has been Arsenal through and through for 18 years is not just 'not on', it is disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I want a change of Manager, but more than that, I want absolutely to have no association with the bile Wenger has been subject to, from fans of our Club.
what changes would you have made then? at 2-0 down, with that bench, what would you have done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
probably very little, there wasn't much that could be changed we were that bad. yes that is down to Arsene as well as the players, it would have been nice to have a fit squad and yes mistakes were made in not signing a striker etc, that is old ground. At 2-0 at the bridge, what would you have done? Im not sure there is much he could have done bar tell the team to stop playing like shit. Just because he didnt stand up and wave his arms around and show "passion" doesn't mean he doesn't care.
I think the lack of responsive changes goes deeper than in just this match. There have been too many occasions this season where there has been a complete lack of deviation personnel and set up, when it is clear that changes are needed. Too often it looks like all substitutions have been determined prior to kick-off and whatever happens afterwards on the pitch seems immaterial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Well with my Football Manager experience :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Arteta off, Flamini on.
Rosicky moved to the middle.
Ox moved out to the wing.
Giroud off, Sanogo on.
Tell Sagna and Gibbs to limit their advances up the pitch.
Podolski off , Gnabry on.
He could've changed something. The way he set out the team was far too open. I'm not doubting his passion for the club.
fair point that though i do feel his tactics in the last 18 months have been a lot better. Although you don't win anything for getting the most points in a calendar year, you do however need to get your tactics right to manage that. Clearly he got more games right with this squad then he used to before but the big games are the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
I do think perhaps change is needed now, and it really is with a heavy heart i say that.
its got the point now that i almost want Arsene to go because i can't face another season where every result that isn't a win, ignoring every single bit of context about the result, results in everyone calling Arsene a cunt and get him out. its just boring, repetitive and stupid.
How many people have seriously called him a cunt recently? I dont remember seeing much in the way of people getting personal as they used to (I was one of them). Yes, many have called him clueless but he hasnt faced any serious vile. I think too much is made of AW receiving "insults". Again, my response is from what I see and read on GW. May be the word on the street is different.
That's because some of us are fighting hard to get this manager the respect he deserves. It's good if the mindless insults have been rowed back. It means we can start getting to a place where we can have a real debate about the future of the club. The one thing that's really important to consider, if anyone here thinks they are a bigger fan of Arsenal than Arsene Wenger - well they are as wrong as it is possible to be. We're talking about the biggest fan of this club when we are talking about our manager. So respect? I should say so.
And I just polished off the last of the whisky - which is fucking shit if the truth be told.
Wenger's biggest fault, the one that impacts the most? He has faith in his players and genuinely gives a shit about their careers. Even I admit this is foolish because none of them are Dennis Bergkamp. There was a guy who it was worth having faith in. These current guys? Who is there? Wilshere. Ramsey (and didn't we give him some shit), Merts and Kos - well maybe. But let's give it time. And the much maligned Arteta. We thought Sagna but maybe we're about to get fucked on that one. Who else? Flamini? Not likely, despite his crowd rousing theatrics. He left after all. Jenks if you ask me, he seems to love every minute of it and break his back when called upon. Does that win you titles? Nope. But it's a tough choice, I hope. Commitment or the chequebook. These are people in jobs by the way, very glamorous jobs no doubt. But they don't see it that way because different world, different expectations and all that shit that separates them from the reality of the howling fans lack of self achievement.
We should have a thread for us geniuses here - What Have You Achieved Today? Talk about an empty thread.
Wenger trusts these loveable bastards. That's where he goes wrong. When he says he is puzzled, maybe it shows he is out of touch after all. Maybe it shows he doesn't quite have a grasp of the modern human being. That selfish twat of a creature that doesn't mind seeing the whole world go to hell provided I'm alright Jack. Coincidence regarding the name Jack.
This explains the shit in the transfer market too, how it would "kill" player X, Y, Z if we signed somebody.
If we are going to crucify Wenger then let's crucify him because he is not as shallow as your typical modern day hero. But forget about calling him clueless because in the grand scheme of things he's one of the last blokes that does actually have a clue. To his great disadvantage.
If our politicians could hone in on the clues Wenger picks up well maybe we'd all be the better for it. As it is, what are they if they're not your typical football star?
I think Wengers main problem is stubborness, all this post match press conference where he says he doesn't know is nonsense, unless he is deaf he would have heard Steve Bould telling him what was wrong but he is not going to publically admit that partly goaded by the "specialist in failure" comment (I don't believe for a second a remark like that goes over his head) and the hype of his 1,000 game he set us up to attack early on (perhaps as NQ remarks faith in his players). I imagine in the cold light of day it's impossible to be in football as long as AW has and not know he tactically blundered in every conceivable way and that his players playing to a game plan collapsed and folded with the game plan within the first ten minutes.
I really just don't want another humiliation next week against city before we have shown to have learnt anything.
The last time I know of was in this thread - 17 posts above yours. Most of the intervening posts were from LDG NQ and myself. You shouldn't even have to ask the C question - and yes, the bile has been there, it is disgusting and it says far more about the persons spewing it than it does about a man that is Arsenal to the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
That would be suicidal. Going as far as the Championship or worse - Sherwood! Never. Regardless of what we all think of Wenger, he'll be a tough act to follow and we can't risk putting a novice in charge that could possibly fragment the team. We never have major bust ups or outright mutiny against Wenger's methods because there is at least a respect level there from the players. We bring some new guy in with a vision that may be hard for the players to swallow, he may have a hard time getting them to follow through. That's the problem Moyes has at United. Well, part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1_nilto the arsenal
We need someone with credentials. Not just anybody. He'll have to have serious charisma and man management skills otherwise. Wenger wasn't a big name when he arrived here but he won the French league and completely revolutionised the Prem. The players had never come across someone of his calibre. That needs to continue.
boring, repetitive and stupid.A bit like our last 9 seasons then..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
exactly haha lol jk not jkQuote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
What a load of absolute tosh.If i was the manager of a club i loved with a passion and all my heart and was a multi millionaire i would be different.If i knew the club was struggling financially i would find it hard to allow myself a wage of £130k a week (8 mill a year) especially when i hadnt won anything for so long.I certainly wouldnt put a wage structure in place which everyone at the club had to be part of ..well everyone exept me..Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's what kills me. Chelsea/Jose quality counter attacks, that shouldn't have been a surprise. That is how Jose sets his teams up and he's always on about quick transitions. We should have been prepared. Also, the results against Bayern and Spurs weren't convincing. We didn't get thrashed and taking a point and winning against Spurs away is a good result. But you can't just look at the outcome for those games going in against Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Against Spurs and Bayern, we passed the ball poorly and have it away cheaply. It were close to 60% against us which is very unusual. They had chances and poor quality is what let them down. It wasn't a complete shut out and we didn't control the game with ease. Bayern dominated us in possession and they had 70%. We struggled to cope with their pressing, didn't create many chances but defended well.
Now in light of that, why were the players so reckless in possession against Chelsea? A team that are deadly on the counter and it's something we should have been aware of from the start. Shouldn't we have started Ox on the flank and Rosicky in the middle to steady the ship? We always knew Chelsea were going to play two strong defensive bricks in the middle that would be hard to bypass. Bah...just so tired of it all.
Could you repeat that in english please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Thats what im saying, the lack of understanding and planning from the manager is so frsutrating. Chelsea this season have been efficient but nowhere near deadly and before the game i made the point that they hadnt blown away any team this season and were there for the taking. However, i hadnt realised that this team and manager didnt learn anything from the Liverpool defeat and that they were about to go out there and commit the same errors and basic mistakes they did against Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
West ham, Palace, Stoke, Everton, West Brom etc all went to the bridge and produced excellent performances and although some lost, they came very close. These teams went in with a plan and made sure they stayed solid and compact. We on the other hand are supposed to be better than them, we have better players, a better manager and have amibitions to win the league but the way we folded was so bad i thought it was a hidden camera show.
The manager has to take much of the flack because this defeat was down to him more than anyone else.
I think those who are attacking my post are missing the point. All I want is a manager who can make changes when things arent working, who can instruct players to follow tactics and who can correct previous mistakes, like why we do always lie down against the big teams. Every shit team beat Man U at OT and guess what, we were the only club that lost their during their poor showings, typical. I dont care if we lose and I dont care if we dont play champions league football, as long as we fight and show grit and courage rather than being so spinless and weak. 8-2 at OT, how many times have you ever seen Arsenal lose by 8 goals? Its concievable with Wengers Arsenal as the man has no stratedgy, no game plan, doesnt know how to change a game. C'mon please tell me you are watching the same Arsenal. Bad signings, Giroud, Arteta, playing Wilshire when he's out of form and unfit, signing an old timer who was injured to cover injured players???? We all know we needed a striker in Louis Surarez, so we sign a £42 mill midfield flop who looked very good at Madrid but then again who doesnt. In January he had a chance to rectify the situation and chose to do business on the last working day for another midfielder on loan who was injured ffs.
The defence has been pretth good this year, spankings aside. The attack, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
The reason Wenger has gotten it wrong, IMO, is that the defence is now the basis for this side, and the reason for our relative consistency.
Against the "normal" teams, we go out not to concede, probe a deep lying back line, and nick a few goals.
Against the slightly better teams, Spuds, Everton etc, we look on the back foot, bit theyvaren't good enough to invade our back line, and we can often nick a goal, and generally concede less than we score.
Against the top teams....well, you see what happens when we concede first, and early....against all three of the big piss takes this year, we've been buried in 10 minutes. That says to me, poor preparation, lack of confidence and no plan B.
The auto subtitue time is also a mistery. If your team is losng 2/3-0 in the first 20 mins, why dont you sub of the ones who keep giving the ball away and bring on fresh legs? why do you wait until its too late?
Frustrating.
I hear the frustration and can agree with that. We need a change. On the management side, if we're going for someone with little experience but has a great vision, then I'll always maintain that it has to be someone with a good record against the big clubs, has won a domestic trophy or was legendary player. Someone with weight behind their argument so when they lay into the players they respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1_nilto the arsenal
So two more years it is then, if the rags are to be afforded an undetectable hint credibility.
I reckon that's enough time for Pep to get bored at Bayern, or around the time Klopp's contract with BVB would have near ran out.
The one you've all been waiting for,Quote:
Stewart Robson has launched a stinging attack on Arsene Wenger after the crushing 6-0 defeat at Chelsea left Arsenal's title bid in tatters and has called for the Frenchman's reign to be brought to an end.
Wenger admitted he was not sure what went wrong at Stamford Bridge on Saturday lunchtime as his side were blown away by their London rivals.
Jose Mourinho's men were 3-0 up inside 17 minutes as Chelsea joined Manchester City and Liverpool in thrashing Arsenal this season.
And the defeat has left Robson furious, with the former Gunners star pointing the finger of blame at Wenger.
“I don’t think they will win the Premier League in the near future. I think they need a change of manager," he said, speaking on The Sports Bar.
"Arsene Wenger said we are not quite sure how it happened [the defeat at Chelsea], but it happened at Liverpool, it happened against Manchester City, it happened a little bit against Southampton. How does he not know what happened?
"Arsenal don’t earn the right to play. Every coach will send his team out and say, ‘before you can go and express yourself, you have to win the battle first. You have to earn the right to play, then once you have earned the right to play, now you can express yourself'. Unless teams drop off and allow Arsenal to play, they can’t cope with the physicality.
"How does he not know what happened in that game, because the exact same thing happened against Liverpool. If you have watched Arsenal as I have over the last seven or eight years they are going to be exposed."
Chelsea's victory kept them top of the pile and Robson has nothing but praise for Mourinho, who he claims would sort out Arsenal's problems in no time.
"If Jose Mourinho was in charge of the Arsenal squad, they would be six, seven, eight points better off than they are now because he is a better coach," added Robson.
"He understands what it takes and getting the balance right between the attacking side of the game and defensive side of the game. He knows that he wants his players to do certain jobs in the team. He knows players have to work hard. He knows players can't throw themselves around and look for free-kicks in the midfield."
http://talksport.com/football/exclus...s8CMgtW6QpO.99
No one cares what Robson has to say.
You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
and you are?Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle