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Rosicky and Campbell won't see any game time after complaining in public about their lack of playing time. Walcott benched for not signing a new deal and he's not the first to receive that sort of treatment. It was the same for Lauren, Wiltord and Edu years back. He can be petty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The likelihood of Ivan and Stan following Wenger out the door when gone is wishful thinking.
Rosicky has gone as a player, it's clutching at straws to believe he could have any kind of impact for us
Dropping contract rebels is one of the few things I applaud Wenger for, why should you give game time to someone not committed to the club (Wiltord, Edu and Lauren not big misses for us) and Walcott signed a new contract.
It's also wishful thinking to suggest things will get better when Wenger goes, another demagogue will be given far too much authority.
Id like to think I'm wrong and that Gazidis will reign the next man in but I'm not going to hold my breath
Why not when he was able to make an impact last season? Have you seen the current midfield and how they're playing?
As for the contract situation, it's called cutting your nose to spite your face. We create the stand off situation with the low wages offer.
Also, whether these guys make an impact or not is a side issue, we're talking about Wenger being a 'dictator' and controlling. He has two sides to him and I don't think there is anyone in the club that can talk any sense into him because he's so stubborn. That's the issue. As a sportsman, he should know he's doing a poor job but he's so delusional, he shifts the standards of success to suit his own accomplishments. The 4th place trophy is an example.
Wenger's successor will not be given unequivocal control. He is the last of a dying breed of manager.
The new manager will need to deliver on the pitch immediately, he won't have sentiment to protect him like Wenger does.
The only evidence you have of Wenger being a dictator are things every other manager in the game does, where my example of the board being as culpable as Wenger for Wenger was clearly evidenced by Chips Keswick. There is no internal criticism, they either back him or turn the other way and whistle nonchalantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I don't know what makes you believe there is suddenly going to be a hands on approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Or even that they are capable of appointing a successor without either consulting Wenger or begging him to stay until 2020
Wenger is entwined into the fabric of the club. He has worked himself into this position, he's a managerial anomaly. No other coach in the world has a reign over the non-coaching aspect of a club like he does. He hired his own CEO FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't believe the new guy is going to be given additional responsibilities, it doesn't make any business sense, why would they entrust someone unproven in those areas? I also doubt coaches these days are keen for that level of control - I read the other day Pep Guardiola has as many as 20 people to delegate with for various matters on and off the pitch, that's supposedly the best manager in the world. This is the type of structure you find at most clubs now, the game has moved on.
I don't mind if Wenger is consulted on his successor, I just want there to be a clear distinction between board and manager. Gazidis and the rest of the board live in the shadows, maybe when Wenger is gone they will start to earn their money because they'd do well to find someone like Wenger again, and if they do, then god help us all.
A dictator gives the wrong impression. He’s a control freak and there is enough evidence of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...senal-training
This is worth a read.
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Gilberto Silva, the Brazilian who played for Arsenal as a defensive midfielder between 2002 and 2008, agrees. "The suggestion of outside help to coach players is made by people who don't know what happens at the club," he says. "Arsène never delegated things totally to his assistants. He was always watching things pitch-side, more than often coming in to talk about things to change. He never tried to reinvent the wheel or kept yapping at the players, because footballers don't like to be bossed around."
This is where things get tricky. We have no real football people on the Board so I don’t know exactly what they can tell Wenger to do to improve results. If he’s stubborn and dismissive on ex players, I can’t imagine him taking to heart any suggestions from our men in suits upstairs. Also, do you really want a situation like what’s happened over at Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle and even Chelsea? Interference from upstairs can be counterproductive. It should be the Boards job to support the manager with the resources he needs and then the manager takes it from there.Quote:
Despite Arsenal's now-perennially leaky defence Winterburn states that Wenger's philosophy is not to drill his back four separately. "No. Arsène Wenger's training is all about possession of the football, movement of the football and support of one another. Then he really expects you to be able, when you lose the ball, to organise yourself and dictate to players around you in what areas you want the opposition to go," he says.
Step back with dignity accept your time is over , you gave us great times but your time has past. A new regime is the only answer.
You don't need to be knowledgable at football to know that a man shouldn't be responsible for hiring his own boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
He has the power and authority because it was blindly given to him
Could you record yourself saying that like you're Captain Black from Captain Scarlet and the mysterons.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
But yeah that sums it up, in an ideal World Wenger would have his "soapy tit wank" farewell end of the season after once again getting us top four.
And a new guy comes in who heads up a large coaching team and who himself is directly answerable to Ivan Gazidis
I'd like to see Bould as manager surrounded by a team including people like Bergkamp and Keown
People that love the club
So you`re betting that the next man will be as idiosyncratic, blind to reality and dogma driven as Wenger.......You've got it bad my friend. There aren't many in football like Wenger. He likely wasn't like that when he arrived here. With Dein gone his ego filled the vacuum and his intellect shrunk in reverse proportion. The next manager will be selected from the pool of sane human beings i am sure. Unless wenger is given a say in who he is . Then of course history can repeat itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Blindly given by a Board that are now gone and an arrangement Ivan, Stan and Chip have inherited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
But why shouldn't Wenger be responsible for hiring his own boss? Why not?
Also, you have't made a comment on the coaching set up and delegation. What does that tell you about Wenger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You know whats disappointing? The fact that we were top of the table last year till Feb/March and a lot of people were cutting Wenger slack for not investing in the January window. The reason? We will do it next season and invest in the summer. Well this is next season and guess where we are at? Worse off by miles!
What a waste of an opportunity! :ilt:
Unfortunately the end of season will be too late. Top four finish increasingly unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It tells me that no-one has the presence of mind to stand up to him, do you think Wenger would walk if Gazidis or Keswick said you need to delegate more Arsene....would he fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The likelihood is that Sanchez was bought with Wenger having no say in the transfer negotiation as he was in Brazil at the time? Wenger just accepted it.
I do agree with you when you say he's a control freak, but I also don't believe he's the type of person to cause a conflict if some things were taken from his control.
I could see this happening a mile off. Our opportunity for the title was last season but we didn't take it. There was no way Wenger would be able toQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
hang with a Mourinho team after he's had a year to iron out that Chelsea squads problems. Not only that, he handed another rival the title with foolish transfer dealings. Cesc shouldn't be at Chelsea.
Man United and Liverpool are in an even worse state than we areQuote:
Originally Posted by rodders
And ill make a pledge here and now, I will give £50 to charity if we don't finish in the top four.
And I will document this and post it on the site to show I've done this
Good for you and I for one hope that you are right. My problem is that others see where they are going wrong but seemingly Wenger does notQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Don't see that Brendan Rodgers or Luis Van Gaal are learning from their mistakesQuote:
Originally Posted by rodders
Brendan Rodgers for me has been massively found out, he has the opposite problem Wenger has where as Wenger prevaricates and agonises over a signing, Rodgers doesn't give his transfers any real thought and he has wasted a lot of money on players that either don't fit into his system (Balotelli) or just aren't good enough
Southampton are doing tremendously well but where as Wenger stubbornly refuses to rotate, Southampton don't have the strength in depth to allow them to and it will catch up with them
Is there no wifi in Brazil? Was Sanchez and his agent not in Brazil at the same time as Wenger? There is no evidence of any player being signed without Wenger's consent. Just speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I really don't know how Wenger would react if power were to be wrestled from his hands. There was speculation of a rift between him a Steve Bould and it's just speculation but weigh up what's just been posted up about Wenger and delegating tasks to other coaches and there might be something there. I wouldn't rule it out. Wenger has his own way and just look how Bould has morphed into a carbon copy of Pat Rice. He sits on his hands right next to Wenger and says nothing. Just like Pat Rice did. There was talk of Bould not getting much time alone with the defenders, also stuff about us not studying the opposition using video...he's very hands on. If he believe our style of play should be a certain way, I don't know how someone from within the camp can change his way of thinking, especially if they haven't got that much experience either.
Can Gazidis appoint a more experienced coaches to have direct input on what the first team do? I have no idea if that's possible. But he has appointed new youth coaches and a fitness coach so it's possible. But this is worth a read.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-arsene-wenger
http://www.tribalfootball.com/arsena...terfere-399991Quote:
Asked whether he could envisage Kroenke spending big on a player without consulting the manager and then demanding that the player be picked, Wenger chuckled and replied: "I don't think he would do that. We will run the club with the technical department having the decision on what is technical. For all the rest I have of course to answer to Stan Kroenke and I am ready to do that for any questions, but I run the technical department."
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Yet the Frenchman made it clear he would have no problem with Kroenke if the American did not interfere with the way he runs the football side of the club.
Wenger said: "The only important thing is the club is run properly in every department. The most important department in any football club is what is happening on the pitch.
"As long as whoever owns the club doesn't interfere with what we do on the pitch, then for me it's OK.
"I spoke to Stan Kroenke at the club's AGM.
"He's really interested in sport because he has two or three clubs in the States. He's interested in sport, he's interested in football but I do not ask him specifically why he invests at Arsenal. It's not my problem."
The odd thing is they're not doing all that differently to last season at this point. 25 points to 22. They've actually lost a game more this season (they drew 4 by this point last season) and have conceded the same number; 5. They have obviously scored more but that's in no small part down to that freak game against a pretty pathetic Sunderland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Incidentally, it was at this time last season (coming back from this international break) that they went on a pretty horrible run of form. After Villa they play City, Arsenal and United...
Very true they have only twice faced teams that finished in the top seven last season and lost both of them, but considering how many players they lost (mainly to yourselves) the fact they have been able to continue in the same vein as last season is quite remarkable, it shows that the manager is largely unimportant if the infrastructure at the club is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balotelli Is Boss
My point is the transfers that were undertaken were done in a much more timely manner, I'm sure Wenger spoke with Sanchez and his agent in Brazil (I'm not for a second saying Sanchez was signed without Wengers permission) but I think Wenger was more instrumental in convincing Sanchez in coming to us, and Dick Law was more responsible for agreeing a fee with Barcelona and agreeing a wage with player and agent. Yes of course speculative on my part, but compare it to the farago with Real Madrid and Higuain the previous summer and something has changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
So it shouldn't matter that "Brendan Rodgers has been...massively found out".Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Josh :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
This has to be cripps :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
Drugs :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Southampton and Liverpool in terms of club structure are apples and oranges and have very different measurements of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
You gotta hand it to AFC,not many companies could get away with charging five star price's for a two star product and have people queuing up to buy it.
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Originally Posted by topgun
But why is it like this with us? Why are Arsenal fans still accepting of this crap? I have asked this question in another thread and there was no answer really. We have the money, the continuity, the fans and European football, yet all we can do is produce some atrocious brain dead football. Why is there no big demonstrations against Wenger and the board?
People keep putting the blame on the board and/or Wenger, but the reality is that they are under no pressure. Arsenal fans are the most spineless group of fans I have come across.. majority of us (including me) are keyboard warriors! We seem to have all the balls in the world to hijack a 'AskArteta' or 'AskMonreal' twitter feed, but there never really is concerted criticism against the board or Wenger. Frankly speaking, we deserve this shit!
A man who wouldnt fly to games, a TV pundit and a person whos been bald since his 20s (who will international fans and players graviate to? Movie star Mourinho or the dour no-name guy?). Get real m8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Why are we not talking about how Chambers is looking like Jenkinson 2.0? Wenger needs to quit shopping in Chavland to be down with the Chavs and give serious defenders a go. Bellerins turn now surely.
It has already been said. The stadium is made of state of the art fire retardant materials.
Trying to burn it down would be pointless,
As for real fan action - I think you mentioned Newcastle as an exemplar in the past. Tell us all just how effective that has been? And you personally could make a start by not walking around all the time looking like the Armoury is your exclusive tailor.
Petitions and protests are good but not necessary. What matters most, both financially and appearance wise is to boycott the games. let the tourists go yes, but season ticket holders and others who are dissatisfied have to stop attending games. From the empty stands the sponsors and advertisers will be the ones who speak loudest in the ears of the management. They only respond to threats of loss of revenue. Its the only thing. Don't buy any stuff from the stores either. Puma will have him out of the door faster than anyone of us can.
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Originally Posted by BOBN
That's interesting you've given me a whole new perspective
Do players/fan really gravitate to a club based on the physical attractiveness of the manager. Mourinho only has one movie star attribute and that is his chronic narcissism.
Would Bergkamp really be expected to attend every single European match?
Does Keowns media work make him unsuitable for coaching?
Also Chambers a 19 year old has a torrid time against a pacey winger so it's logical to throw him to the wolves instead of playing him at centre back which is his preferred position?
Ugh....yeah!Quote:
Would Bergkamp really be expected to attend every single European match?