Let's start from the beginning. Who is Tim Payton again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Let's start from the beginning. Who is Tim Payton again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Head of the Arsenal Supporters Trust
Was sarcasm tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Who are the Arsenal Supporters Trust though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXB44b3D0VE
Internet messages don't convey sarcasm well but see what you are syaingQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger in i'll do the opposite to what everyone wants/thinks shocker!
He doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks or how ridiculous he looks most of the time, he makes nonsensical decisions and in this case this would be a decision for his own selfish reasons rather than for the club he claims to love. What does he think he has to offer the club, it's been a car carsh season with more humiliating defeats and yet he still thinks he's the bees knees. Will this nightmare ever end?
He's really dragging this out, almost like he's getting some sort of perverse pleasure out of it, got not respect for this guy, don't really understand why anyone has based on his behaviour.
You've taken your time to comment, wanked yourself into a coma after the weekend's results?
Come on actually that's not really necessary is it. I think Zim can be a tit, but you're being antagonistic for no reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I have to say and I hate to say the above comment isn't really extreme or outrageous.
Part of me thinks Wenger is doing this out of spite, he knows the fans are angry and that makes him angry for not appreciating him.
He's been saying that Wenger is a shit manager who couldn't give a shit about anyone bar himself and should be sacked because he hasn't a clue how to move this club forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Turns out he was 100% correct.
It would be a bit weird if he suddenly changed his opinion now.
Didn't expect him to change his opinion, I'm just surprised he's taken this long to revel in this as he always seems to.
He's the one who seems to take a perverse pleasure in all this.
So you call him out when he's quick to post his two cents when it's goes tits up, but now you're doing the same for him taking too long?! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Your obsession with him is worse than his perceived obsession with Wenger.
Yeah that's right I get perverse pleasure out of seeing Wenger wreck this club, are you kidding? I just want the guy gone so we can all start enjoying football again, logic would suggests that there's nothing left for him at the club now and yet somehow (not really that surprising knowing him) it seems he may stay on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What good reason can there be for this other than to do the opposite of what everyone wants, it seems to me he always wants to do the opposite of what everyone says, when every says we need a striker he doesn't sign one, when everyone says we need leadership he signs no leaders, when everyone says we need to pay a certain way he does the opposite and we get thumped.
I don't get the man and to me it seems he's on a crusade to prove everyone wrong by doing the opposite of what's logical and in this case because people want him out (and because it makes total sense for him to go) he's decided he's going to stay on because he basically can do and say whatever he wants at this club, he decides if he stays or not, he decides if he needs a payrise, he decides if the fans are to blame etc etc
It will be unrestrained joy for me if Wenger leaves. I'll be whooping and hollering right across every thread on the forum. Might even get a twatter account and post a video on facetube. I can't think of a single poster here who gets pleasure out of the club suffering as it is. Getting pleasure from witnessing the downfall of the man who is primarily responsible? Nothing wrong with that. Personally I temper my reaction a bit based on what he's achieved over the entire 20 years rather than just the last 10, but if Wenger does do what he's threatening to do there will be plenty who will make Zim appear sedate in his criticism. And all of it will be deserved. A football manager who can't win or even compete, opting to rehire himself on another multi-million quid contract to the detriment of the club? That's as low as it gets. Every drop of criticism coming his way he'll have earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Actually I was beginning to think this nightmare was coming to an end a few weeks ago, now it seems it's going to go on and on and on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Why is everyone suddenly so serious on here? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It's weird one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Speaking of perversions.....
I mean what the heck is that about? :lol:Quote:
You've taken your time to comment, wanked yourself into a coma after the weekend's results?
Don't get me wrong i think a lot of his i told you so schtick is laughable, although at least even if he doubles down on his stupid comments he doesn't try and change history and deny saying them.
He has said he has enjoyed the defeats because he thinks it's the only way to shake people up out of their apathy, but when ultimately it's come to the same result and Wenger is staying anyway, his half baked "well the fans aren't moaning enough" armchair commentary seems rather pointless.
Does he really believe that Wenger is staying on because he thinks the fans haven't made enough fuss?.....how toxic and unpleasant does he want things to get for his own satisfaction?
Don't try and pretend like he is the only one wise about the situation when many of us have said the same about Wenger and his deficiencies for years.
But in this instance....what he has said about Wenger is pretty spot on. It's not a revelation though
My post wasn't intended to be that serious, no idea why everyone is wetting their pants about it. Whatevz :shrug:
I would hope not, you'd have to be a complete moron not to spot Wenger's deficiencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
http://arsenalfantv.com/wp-content/u...onate-defe.jpg
I wouldn't say I enjoy the defeats, but yes it seems the only way that Wenger would leave is if people revolted against his methods and since he gets a ridiculous amount of leeway it seems that that's the only thing that would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
He's staying because he can and at the end of the day it's not great at the club but we saw the other day when only 200 fans turned up for the demonstration there's not a huge appetite to go against Wenger, for the club to feel pressure it would take a lot more than this, empty seats, demonstrations with a lot of people and clear discontent, whilst its clear to us, it seems to the upper echelongs of this club it's a mere blip they really don't care about. We know they couldn't give a toss about the fans, so just as long as the money keeps rolling in they'll just stick two fingers up and them and tell them they can be replaced by the other 10 million on the season ticket waiting list.
I'm not here to say I told you so, I'm sorry you think that's what I'm doing, I just want the man I see as one of the big problems at this club (he has been for years IMO) to go, because for me he's spoilt the enjoyment I once use to have watching Arsenal in the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Thanks no it isn't, I can't fathom why he would stay on other than because he can and because he thinks he's right and doing a good job (he's said before he decides this), trouble is because he's the one assessing his performance and he never accepts he's done wrong he's never going to think he's doing a poor job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Sand in their vaginas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well at least we know that hoping we lose doesn't work either. Makes not a jot of difference to Wenger if we lose or even if we get hammered and humiliated. Which is why dropping out of the top 4 won't make a blind bit of difference either.
Basically what we have here is a hostage situation with a kidnapper who refuses to negotiate.
HAQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Negotiator: Ok Arsene what do you want?
Wenger: To stay at Arsenal
Negotiator: Ok, besides that
Negotiator: Arsene....Arsene....hello?
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
sad thing is it's true!
I also think it's why i don't believe he's motivated by money
He's motivated by being the king of his own castle, being praised, adored and grovelled to by those around him
He's 67, when he is under no pressure to do a good job the slings and arrows are all going to bounce off
And in fairness it would for all of us. Don't get me wrong that doesn't make him any less culpable but it shows how much trouble this club is in...Kroenke is a parasite and the so-called board are just a bunch of septuagenarians bumping up their pensions.
Arsenal has cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I think it's more like AIDS to be honest, if Arsenal FC is a host the people who should be the anti bodies are actually attacking the host.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's a virus we contracted from being sodomised by David Dein, and the symptoms are Kroenke and Usmanov.
11am and this is the first post of the day :haha:
The enthusiasm with which we're greeting our glorious leader's decision to stay is less than overwhelming. It's almost as if people have lost all hopeinterest.
Wenger gives some really odd interviews these days where he says a lot but doesn't actually make any sense or point. He says he wants to stay and that the club were in a much worse situation when he first joined and that he's done a good job.
Then he says a bunch of words about quality and showing what we are made of etc as if this is the first time we have been humiliated and shat on. Someone show him a dvd of the last 10 years and point out that we fail at the same stage in the same way every fucking season.
Wondering if the Arsenal board orchestrated today's attack so they could quietly slip out the news that Wenger has signed the contract while everyone is looking elsewhere...
:ninja:
Don't tell the police. They'll makes arrests and close the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I mean, obviously do tell the police.
So Sanchez and Ozil contract talks have been put on hold, while Lord Wenger makes up his mind whether to stay or leave. Obviously Wenger thinks he is the most important factor at this club, not the players. We have seen this all before, difference is that no established star in his prime is going to fall for his fake sweet talk and promises of brilliant signings to complement them. A reasonable man would know that HE is the reason these 2 stars wont sign.
The club, fans and its future are entirely secondary to this mans need for relevancy even in his dotage.
"Im brilliant, he says. Arsenal never played champions league until I showed up"
I see reports of a huge squad overhaul in the summer with Wenger staying.
Yeh right, whatever!
Wenger will stay, we will lose Sanchez & Ozil & buy some unknowns and make a tidy profit.
Then watch a repeat of every season for the last 10 years.......
Roll on the 2019 season.
A squad overhaul. Didn't he say not long ago this was the best group he's ever worked with? :lol:
He signed every single one of them.
If they aren't good enough, whose fault is that?
Beginning of the season I said this was the best squad we have had for years, but the manager would stop us competing. And I still stand by that, despite 1 or 2 players who are clearly not good enough I think a better manager could work with this group and have us competing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Losing Alexis & Ozil would be a massive blow, especially if it coincides with Wenger staying on.
He meant they were good blokes, a laugh. He never actually said they were decent at football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You're falling into the Arsenal trap. Assuming the worst when you haven't considered even worse possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDgQuote:
As we look to the next two, three years we will have an outstanding platform on which to compete with any club in the world - Ivan Gazidis 2012
Arsene is ultimately accountable to the fans—they ultimately make judgement. If you are seeing the relationship between the fans and the manager break down, that is unsustainable - Ivan Gazidis 2011
The changes [we're making] will keep us ahead of the game. Our strategy is youth development, player signings, and player retention - Ivan Gazidis 2015
We’re very confident with the new deals we’ve got coming through, although we can’t talk about that in any detail. That’s showing really positive progression. We should be able to compete at a level like a club such as Bayern Munich - Ivan Gazidis 2013
We will not accept second best. We never have. Will strive to maintain the performances that we have in the last 14 years. I think Arsčne is getting it right again - Peter Hill-Wood 2011
We are keen to win leagues, pennants and cups - Sir Chips Keswick (somewhere in a far distant galaxy)
Champions League 14 years in a row, that remains the focus. Sustainable model is the right way forward for the club. The future is in our own hands - Peter Hill-Wood 2011
If you want to win championships then you would never get involved. - Stan Kroenke 2011