I remember someone said Aubergine isn't a striker dependent on service. That he could create something out of nothing. Doesn't seem to be the case.
Printable View
I remember someone said Aubergine isn't a striker dependent on service. That he could create something out of nothing. Doesn't seem to be the case.
I thought that was the sort of striker we were getting as well. He doesn't like that way at all. That's what we needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
There was a big write up about him just before we signed him. Said he was ENTIRELY dependent on service and created very little himself. I suppose the idea was to bring Mkhitaryan in so the good old days of Dortmund could be recreated. Unfortunately that would require 8 other outfield players on the same wavelength and Wenger seems to have overlooked that basic requirement. So no Dortmund, still the same old Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Lacazette, on the other hand, was supposed to be a more rounded player. And in fact he was. But it doesn't make any difference in Wenger's tippy tappy universe. You either tip and tap with the rest of them or you're not going to get into the game. Wenger's ceaseless cowardice, even against relegation strugglers, has meant the one striker he plays is always isolated and chasing scraps. We could compensate for this when Alexis was forcing the issues with individual play. But not now. Alexis sussed things relatively quickly and fucked right off. Santi used to be able to make things happen in the middle, another one of Wenger's sheer luck and circumstance finds. But Wenger likes playing players into the ground when he randomly hits on one that can help him out. So Santi's dead now.
Wenger has fucked up everything he touches. He's easily the worst manager in the world when you look at what he's done. He's not even a proper manager. He's a trumped up caretaker who orders people around and sends out a team to be as negative as possible with the main aim of not losing, rather than winning. A coward. A fraud. A liar and as good as a thief when you consider what he's given back in return for close on a tenth of a billion quid in wages since his last significant achievement.
It also comes back to Ozil. What the fuck is doing? He's not that good of a playmaker. Why can't he set these guys up for more chances?
Because for a striker to find the space and be effective the whole team has to be drilled in attacking play. Look at any of our midfield. Their first instinct is to play the ball to the safe zone. Look at how static everyone is when we have the ball. We don't play space, we don't get the ball forward with pace. We play triangles and safe zones, across the pitch one way, back across the other. And nobody can cross a ball either. Kolasinac and Mkhitaryan used to be able to cross balls, but I swear Wenger must fine players who put a decent cross in. You cant expect anything from a striker when the team behind him is virtually playing another match. And the same is true for Ozil and Mkhitarian. Neither are Alexis types - and remember how much Alexis used to get criticised for losing the ball? I could never understand that. At least he was trying to make thing happen, doing something a bit ambitious, shaking things out of the zombie state we play in. In other words, he must have told Wenger to go and fuck himself, and played his game anyway. That's where the dressing room unrest came from I bet, as all of Wenger's pets rushed to the defence of their dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
This isn't a football team. It's a collection of footballers who are in some sort of holiday camp during a hiatus in the careers. Some will go on to play football again, at real teams. Others will likely die here, peacefully passing away in their sleep while playing CM. A wizened old Wenger laying them to rest followed by a minute's silence in memory of the time he personally built the whole club with his bare hands.
Ozil has embraced everything Wenger has put on offer. Mkhitaryan will too, you can already see it. Sounds like Jack won't though. And possibly not Ramsey either, although I think with the latter he's probably just after a bit more spending money so he can knock around with the rich kids and not feel inadequate or deprived.
Not a real football team.
When Nick Anelka got the ball and started arrowing towards the opponent's goal with defenders shitting themselves and falling over all around him, remember those days? It was always useful to look at what the other forwards and midfielders were doing at the time. They'd all be advancing, usually two at pace, one on either side of Anelka so he had options if he couldn't finish the job himself. And Paddy would be there in the middle like a quarterback, watching the whole play develop and deciding whether he could go or not. It was a sight to see and the whole thing would happen in seconds. Bang!
Aubameyang and Lacazette would thrive in a system like that, and so would Ozil.
This thing we have though, the tip tap thing, the backwards sideways rigamarole, I suppose they want to play in that about as much as we want to watch it. Tipping tapping at 2mph while the opposition defence strolls from defensive position to defensive position.
NQ - Go back and look at the Spurs game. How comes Iwobi was able to muster up a good chance Lacazette within minutes? Not every move on the pitch has to be calculated chess pieces on a board. I've seen Wilshere pull off really good chances for players. Sanchez would do it all the time. He's an underrated playmaker. Heck, Alex Song was able to carve stuff out for RVP on a regular.
During that Spurs game there was an early chance to break on them but Ozil fucked up the pass. That's on Ozil to make that pass. It's on the manager to give him a slap for sloppy play. You have to stop buying excuses for this guy. Not every team is a well oiled, mistake free machine. I can't understand why Ozil can't force more mistakes for defenders if his playmaking ability.
Ozil is a lazy mercenary what he does and doesn’t do in a game is largely dependent on whether he’s up for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Iwobi is literally one of the only players in the team that either can or will dribble on the ball therefore he can make space that way that other players won’t
I think what we refer to is whether our players are self motivated or not. And more often than not that’s on them
Problem is some of our players can be self motivated but either no confidence or quality. Welbeck is prime example of this, through sheer effort he was our best player in my view last night (although that isn’t saying a lot).
Xhaka and Ramsey in midfield are never going to work even if you had Pep managing them, but on top of that Xhaka also is a lazy cunt
For a team to work under Wenger they have to be technically good and self motivated and players of that kind are probably now going to be in the 100million bracket
And that’s why Ancelotti would be a no go. He is like Wenger too relaxed. These players need a hard drilling disciplinarian
Im sorry. Iwobi is crap. He can do something once in a while, just like a stopped clock is right 2ce a day. Iwobi a dribbler. Dont make me laugh!. Can he do what Sane did to us yesterday without tripping over himself?
Our players are mostly junk. Ozil is a certain type of player, he needs other types of players around him. we blame Ozil because he is not the player we want him to be. Whereas he is today, exactly the same player that he was in Madrid and in the German national team.
No point buying a Ferrari and being pissed because it is shit at towing a caravan.
No of course he can’t and of course he’s third rateQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
But he’s the only player we can have that either can or will dribble at all
That has almost nothing to do with what we're talking about. One moment from Iwobi and one moment from Ozil has close on zero significance to the overall argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Singling out Ozil is just a fetish for some. He's not doing the business and neither is any other player. He's exactly the same as all the rest. Ineffective. This is because of one man and one man alone. Certainly, give underperforming players a slap. But you won't catch Wenger doing that. Only time he'll do that is when they threaten to leave.
I explained to you why Ozil can't hook up with the striker. That's not how the team has been sent out to play. Remember how Ozil could do it at will when he first arrived? And Mkhitaryan hit the ground running. And Lacazette would shoot on sight when he first arrived? And Kolasinac was a beast? And Xhaka could tackle? And Bellerin would try to take on his opponent? And Chambers could defend? And Mustafi was fresh off a world cup win? And Iwobi was the next big thing? Pick a player. Any player.
And you think this problem is unique to Ozil? Refusing to run a witch hunt against him is not the same thing as refusing to criticise him. His penchant for sudden illnesses has been the focus of criticism for weeks. But then again, of course, that's Wenger's fault too when it all boils down to it. None of these things would be happening were it not for Wenger. You can sell Ozil or keep him, it won't make the slightest difference. Same goes for any player in the world, as we have seen with Lacazette and now Aubameyang. Alexis was the only one who seemed to be able to retain some degree of his former game, and one more season under Wenger and he would be shot too.
It's crazy to look at a club that's fucked from top to bottom and ask, Why isn't Ozil doing something about it?
Correct. It's absolutely pointless looking at individual performances when the whole team is so dysfunctional.
You sum it up. It's why I won't question the ability of Sanchez. Same goes for RVP, Cesc...as I mentioned before, even Alex Song had it in him to find our top striker even though we had just lost Cesc and Nasri. We went from being able to carve teams open as unit to relying on a few individuals to win us the points. The free flowing football was gone but we still had some players willing to use what they had to get the win despite a poor management and organisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Singling out Ozil? Have you seen my posts on Xhaka or what I've just said about Aubmeyang?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The teams dysfunctional and people are saying we can't judge individuals but have no problem looking at the shit Mustafi pulled and rightly calling him out on it. Hold all players accountable for such bullshit and make no excuses for them just because the manager is crap.
I think Keown might have a point, although we haven’t been great all season. 2018 has been especially terrible and makes you wonder if Wenger has lost the dressing room. I think in the past players were playing for Wenger....and able to amass runs of form that kept him in a job
I just don’t see the willingness to do that now.
I dunno. Didn't you say we played better last night despite losing? I didn't watch the game. There always seems to be speculation of him losing the team until they turn up for one game. It certainly is possible that he has lost them but some players have been taking the piss for a lot longer than this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Better than Sunday, which isn’t saying a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Iwobi is a good young player.
Under this manager every player gets destroyed.
So there's no point judging him.
Anyone else find it funny how the whole world has only just woken up and started to call for Wenger to go? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
We've been saying it for years but it's only now there's mass calls from the media, journos and pundits.
Not really, we always had shit patches under Wenger but we were the model of consistency in many respectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Couldn’t challenge for anything significant but always slotted nicely into the top four
The writing's been on the wall for years mate.
The same failings have been there for years but now there’s no hiding place because everyone else has improved except for us. No more caveats, no more what ifs, we’re out on a limb now with no excuses.
Let's be honest, both Auba and Lacazette came to us when their stock was low. Ironically, we could have probably signed either striker when we actually had a competitive team, both could have been signed for far less but Wenger was too busy playing "Mr Market Valuation".Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Happy Days :rolleyes:
Arsenal to axe Aaron Ramsey to avoid Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil situation
https://t.co/pxj5w0O8CW
Arsenal identify £22million-rated Bayer Leverkusen goalkeeper Leno as long-term Cech replacement https://t.co/H7KMWphTCx https://t.co/O4RRQ80AKB
SAS :bow:
He is quite highly rated from what my mate tells me
Bet he can't wait to come here and get some of that Wenger training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He will be throwing them in the net in no time.
Arsenal cannot catch a break. Divisions now appearing over wages of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Mesut Özil. An exclusive story from @MattHughesTimes
https://t.co/hBNDr650ea
Socialist wage structure. A week ago they were saying Ramsey was demanding the same sort of money those guys were on. The policy was a ticking time bomb and conditioned unworthy players to expect a hand out. We lost several key players that would often carry the team week in week out because or this policy. Dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
I won't shed a tear, he's injured more than he plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Can't say I'm that bothered with Ramsey.
He's always been hit & miss for me. Charges around and tries to take it all on himself which is great when it works, but when it doesn't he is an annoying twat
I'm bothered about the loss of potential with Ramsey. And Theo, and Ox, and all of them. Wenger has done so much damage.
That is true, I still think they would all be better under an astute manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
They should have seen what was happening and moved on earlier. It was clear years ago that our tippy tappy style actually impeded Theo as he coudn't use his pace to get behind defences, he always played better against the likes of Chelsea when they played open football, not so much when Maureen was in charge with his more defensive approachQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not so easy to move from a club like Arsenal I'll bet, leaving aside the fact Wenger has made it so easy for them. Big London club. European footie for the most part. The most patient set of fans known to man. Fawning journalists who say we play great football despite us playing shite for years. Extra favour when it comes to International call-ups. Easy money. Hard place to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
What they should have done is had more respect for the fans and put in 100% week-in, week-out. They'd have been forgiven for mostly everything if they'd done that.
Apathy, apathy all round. Wenger never seems to a player's strength any way How many times did we have Giroud on the pitch, no crosses in the box, he goes off, crosses come in and there is nobody there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If Ox was tearing up the premier league with Liverpool I might agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The only thing I would agree with the Wenger hype (and it’s the nearest thing I have come to a consensus with PnG) is that players like Henry made some fans believe he could turn water into wine.
You know enough about football to know that if like Ramsey you have a terrible first touch, your passing range is limited, you have no acceleration, you can’t dribble that with the best will in the world you can’t turn them into something they aren’t
Ramsey had a fantastic one off season with us, played out of his skin but even then the limitations in his game were evident
What Wenger can be blamed for is that he has totally failed with Ramsey in recapturing that form
Plus Wenger's fat and a cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
And he is old and blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
and an idiot