Match Reaction v Man Utd

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Good grief. The politically correct mobsters never miss a trick.

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:gp:

A nothing comment. Anyone taking an offense to a 'word' as if its the end of time should be killed

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Originally Posted by gunsofashburtongrove

I'am not talking about the nice mild agitation sorts. I agree that it has to be high intensity, how ever the rants and jeers have to be directed at the board and not anyone else. If they think its because Wenger is not doing a Job its for them to make a decision. If the fans shout for a change in manager its easy for them.

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Agree with that. It allows the fans to continue to support the team whilst directing fire at those who are ultimately responsible for the mess. Plus I'm betting it would surprise the board no end if we skipped the whole Wenger Out theatre and just went straight for their throats.

So is the general view that we'd rather have Usmanov than Kroenke? Because who else would replace the current board, realistically?

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Originally Posted by Tipsychubbs

One of the cruxes of the matter. Simply signing a defender and midfielder or two won't sort this, it is a team mentality that needs to change on the training pitch. Wenger's attact attack attack mentality has been exposed for years, he hasn't got the basics and the balance right. And I'm not sure he can.

This is one of the biggest reasons why we need a new manager. He inherited a superb Graham defence. He supplemented it with strong, physical, athletic players well suited for the premiership e.g. Viera, Petit, Toure, Lauren, Sol Campbell etc.

And then he totally changed and tried to be like Barcelona, building a team around a playmaker instead of a box to box midfielder who was as good in defence as attack, going for a pass pass pass philosophy and abandoning defensive organisation all over the pitch.

He can't correct this, its too big for him. I'm not sure he fully understands the problem, or even if he does he is either unable or too stubborn to change it. He needs to go. And so do the joke of a board who will still be smoking their Cuban cigars and counting the cash regardless of this embarrassing result.

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Top fucking post mate! :gp:

I think there is so much more wrong than just the spending:

- Why dont we play 4-4-2 anymore when that will best use our strikers?

- Why are players played out of positions? Walcott, Bendtner, Eboue, Eduardo

- Why isnt there a defensive coach for the team? (Most important point which everyone overlooks)

These are just non-spending related stuff. As for spending, there is nothing that anyone else or I have not covered in the past!

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Originally Posted by RomfordPele

So is the general view that we'd rather have Usmanov than Kroenke? Because who else would replace the current board, realistically?

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Realistically? Nobody. This board is going nowhere. We have to find a way to force them into paying at least some minor attention to the team. Remind them there's a football side to this football club. That's the best we can hope for. You don't force people like this off a gravy train unless you make them and offer they can't refuse, either in terms of money or violence.

It's half nine and the 8-2 is starting to sink in. 8 fucking 2! A new low in a catalogue of lows. Would have happily settled for spunking away a 4 goal lead for a 4-4, the good old days when things weren't so bad!

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Originally Posted by gunsofashburtongrove

3. The team was too direct and open

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Or in other words = tactically naive

Something we have seen over and over and over again for a long time, but AW seems to think that we can outscore any opposition without worrying about defense.

:crying: Didnt bother staying up for this one as i knew it wasn't going to be pretty but bloody hell.

That score line is shocking and embarrassing, how have we reach this level?

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Originally Posted by Tipsychubbs

Or in other words = tactically naive

Something we have seen over and over and over again for a long time, but AW seems to think that we can outscore any opposition without worrying about defense.

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Tactically suicidal and he just watched the carnage without doing a damn thing about it.

Knew we were in for a hiding. The fact it's a worse scoreline than when we had stephanovs says it all. We could seriously get relegated this year, make no mistake. This isn't just a 3 game thing, this serious decline has been going on since last season and shows no sign of abating

We're in trouble lads

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's half nine and the 8-2 is starting to sink in. 8 fucking 2! A new low in a catalogue of lows. Would have happily settled for spunking away a 4 goal lead for a 4-4, the good old days when things weren't so bad!

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Starting to sink in after the game for me tbh, not really pissed as i knew it would happen.


no excuse for Wenger and the board now. This needed to happen we needed to be taught a lesson and we were hopfully we take notice now.

wenger needs to spend

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

The defence was a total shambles, Jenkinson did look out of his depth but then the more experienced players around him didn't help at all, he shouldn't have had to play in a game like this at this stage...the fact he had to just shows how incompetent the manager is.

He signed players from lower leagues and expects them to be able to play in games against the Champions even though they've not use to that level.

The offside trap was laughable, it was just so easy to bypass the whole defence, a pub team could have done it to be honest.

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This, don't often agree with zim but he is spot on here.

For AW to say that was not humilating he needs to STFU tbh.

He did say it is always humilating when you concede eight goals, in fairness.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

This, don't often agree with zim but he is spot on here.

For AW to say that was not humilating he needs to STFU tbh.

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He actually literally said it was humiliating. Maybe you need to stfu or actually listen to what he says, tbpf

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Originally Posted by Ironing

He actually literally said it was humiliating. Maybe you need to stfu or actually listen to what he says, tbpf

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thought he said it was not humilating, was at a party lots of screaming kids cild not really here him speak, so i apologise then

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Come on, the penalty was pretty much a dive, he might have won it but in reality it shouldn't have really been one.

The goal he scored was a tame shot that the keeper made a right mess of, on a good day any keeper should save that.

Jenkinson is a kid with barely any experience, who was getting no support from his fellow defenders....sure he was at fault but maybe a quiet word might have been more apt, I mean when Walcott gave the penalty away did anyone shout at him for doing so?

Walcott was poor again today.

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Fucking hell, you are priceless. This isn't the day to jump on Theo. Give it a rest.

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Originally Posted by -Xs-

Knew we were in for a hiding. The fact it's a worse scoreline than when we had stephanovs says it all. We could seriously get relegated this year, make no mistake. This isn't just a 3 game thing, this serious decline has been going on since last season and shows no sign of abating

We're in trouble lads

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oh fuck off, we are not in threat of relegation. i know we lost 8-2 but have some sense please

The penalty a dive?

Wtf?

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Zimm, you may have been right about Wenger and Arsenal as a whole but when it comes to individual players, the shockers are still there

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

oh fuck off, we are not in threat of relegation. i know we lost 8-2 but have some sense please

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2 wins in 14 games would suggest to me its not a blip which teams have time to time.

That is relegation form

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Come on, the penalty was pretty much a dive, he might have won it but in reality it shouldn't have really been one.

The goal he scored was a tame shot that the keeper made a right mess of, on a good day any keeper should save that.

Jenkinson is a kid with barely any experience, who was getting no support from his fellow defenders....sure he was at fault but maybe a quiet word might have been more apt, I mean when Walcott gave the penalty away did anyone shout at him for doing so?

Walcott was poor again today.

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Mate this ain't the day people are pissed off as it is with out all this.

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Originally Posted by Ach

2 wins in 14 games would suggest to me its not a blip which teams have time to time.

That is relegation form

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interesting then, why have the media not put pressure of twitchy cunt, his record is the same. and a top four club does not go from 14 years being top 4 to relegation in one season

Jeez, some of you guys need to get a grip. I don't wanna hear any shit about the board being at fault or talking about Theo Walcott when he won us a penalty, bollocked a player for making reckless runs and not marking and he scored one of the goals.

When you lose 8-2 to your nearest rival, the blame goes straight on the manager. It goes way beyond individual performances. After a spanking like that, we had problems all over the pitch and Wenger has to do some soul searching. No top coach should have such a beating on his CV. He should be embarrassed. Fucking disgraceful.

How are the players supposed to carry on knowing they can get a beating like that. That's confidence sapping form and summaries our past few campaigns. When it rains it pours. The worst case scenario played out right before our eyes and the team took a beating and if the game had carried on for 5 more minutes, they could have hit 10 past us.

It's time for Wenger to go and bloody well hope the board are on the phone to a top class coach that can lift the spirits of this team. That was a soul destroying performance. We won't recover from it.

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Originally Posted by Ach

2 wins in 14 games would suggest to me its not a blip which teams have time to time.

That is relegation form

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with the worst goal dffrence in the league and also the worst discplince record in the prem this season.

We're just above the relegation zone. It's a terrible;e start to the season.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

interesting then, why have the media not put pressure of twitchy cunt, his record is the same. and a top four club does not go from 14 years being top 4 to relegation in one season

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It's not just a blip though fella, this is a continuation from last season. We all knew we had to strengthen to stop the rot, but remarkably, we are now weaker than we were then!

Liverpool found themselves in a similar position last season; they sacked their manager and turned it around. That may be the only solution for us as well

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Jeez, some of you guys need to get a grip. I don't wanna hear any shit about the board being at fault or talking about Theo Walcott when he won us a penalty, bollocked a player for making reckless runs and not marking and he scored one of the goals.

When you lose 8-2 to your nearest rival, the blame goes straight on the manager. It goes way beyond individual performances. After a spanking like that, we had problems all over the pitch and Wenger has to do some soul searching. No top coach should have such a beating on his CV. He should be embarrassed. Fucking disgraceful.
How are the players supposed to carry on knowing they can get a beating like that. That's confidence sapping form and summaries our past few campaigns. When it rains it pours. The worst case scenario played out right before our eyes and the team took a beating and if the game had carried on for 5 more minutes, they could have hit 10 past us. It's time for Wenger to go and bloody well hope the board are on the phone to a top class coach that can lift the spirits of this team. That was a soul destroying performance. We won't recover from it.

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Most of them won't be starters will they and the others will have to man up, end of the day, we are in a transional period, wether people like it or not, its time to regroup.

One thing is for sure Project youth is dead, time for the club to have a clensing from top to bottom. A lot of freshness needs to be bought in tbh. it showed in the 1st udinese game when the number 2 did not have a clue what to do like today.

I agree we do need a new manager, but not till the end of the season. or at xmas, when a new manager can have a few weeksto know his targets etc.

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Originally Posted by -Xs-

It's not just a blip though fella, this is a continuation from last season. We all knew we had to strengthen to stop the rot, but remarkably, we are now weaker than we were then!

Liverpool found themselves in a similar position last season; they sacked their manager and turned it around. That may be the only solution for us as well

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true, but we have had a start like this before, 06 i think and still been ok. we wont be relegated

No we wont be relegated but we arent finishing top 4 and id say we arent finishing top 6 either

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

interesting then, why have the media not put pressure of twitchy cunt, his record is the same. and a top four club does not go from 14 years being top 4 to relegation in one season

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So now were the same as Spurs, never though i'd see the day Arsenal were in the same boat as spurs. I think because were were "bigger" then spurs so we get more critsims.

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Originally Posted by Ach

No we wont be relegated but we arent finishing top 4 and id say we arent finishing top 6 either

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Nah we will were not that bad, once the window is out the way season starts, we will have a few big wins this season, the pressure will be off us anyway. no one expects us to win the league or get 4th.

Would not being in europe next season be a good thing.

Did anyone watch MOTD2 just now?

They showed a Rooney goal from a free kick, and Rosicky on the edge of the wall doesn't even look back after it's taken. He just casually strolls off like he doesn't even care. Horrible.

Just watching MOTD, Theo was 120% right to give Jenkinson a earfull, what he was doing so high up the pitch from a united goal kick i'll never know.

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Originally Posted by cheesy bites

Did anyone watch MOTD2 just now?

They showed a Rooney goal from a free kick, and Rosicky on the edge of the wall doesn't even look back after it's taken. He just casually strolls off like he doesn't even care. Horrible.

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looks dodgy as fuck......almost like he has been paid off

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Just watching MOTD, Theo was 120% right to give Jenkinson a mouthfull, what he was doing so high up the pitch from a united goal kick i'll never know.

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Theo at what 22? had to be a leader as the older fucks didnt do fcuk all

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We're just above the relegation zone. It's a terrible;e start to the season.

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The biggest piss take was that UTD were not even at their best

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Just watching MOTD, Theo was 120% right to give Jenkinson a earfull, what he was doing so high up the pitch from a united goal kick i'll never know.

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The younger players don't have respect for the older ones being going on for ages a the club and Sweet fa has been done about it.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

The biggest piss take was that UTD were not even at their best

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Neville said the same thing.

He said Mancs will play better than that and win matches 1-0 this season and i agree

Forget hoping for United/Chelsea/City to drop points, we're not in their "league" this year. Our bigger rivals are Liverpool, Spurs and the others like Stoke and Bolton.

I was sat watching thinking what happened to our team, again, I remember beating barca and utd last year when they chased possession and hurried them. Yes the team today was full of squad players but if they aren't good enough they should not be in the squad.

8 points off the top already it's a disgrace and if Wenger isn't fired then this is acceptable to the board and shows their ambition.

Resign now you French cunt, and take the board with you. Kroenke can fuck off back to America, clueless cunt!

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