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Ferguson makes mistakes in the transfer market like any other manager, but nevertheless in recent years many of his signings have given United the extra quality to win trophies on a regular basis. Yes, players like Bebe have flopped big time, but then you have guys like Valencia, Chicharito who have added a lot of extra quality to the squad. Moreover, he's willing to spend extra if that is needed to push United to the next level, because unlike many at our club, he puts football over profits.
Good point, our defence needed overhauling and we needed a CF last summer, what did Wenger do? Nothing, we just kept the faith with Silvestre/Gallas and playing Arshavin as a CF and look where it got us. Facts like that can't be disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
As far as the last few posts about De Gea, I reserve judgement on ANY keepers ability to do it in the Premiership until he has faced Stoke/Newcastle/Blackburn/Wolves/Bolton and survived, this ain't Spain.
but just think about it, once ManU have spunked all their moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
the back page headlines are all ours........ours.....ours and Citehs ummmmm and Chelseas and for that matter Liverpools, the Spuds........
I reckon by the start of the season we will have a differnt looking team.....so of what we wanted and a little of what we are not sure about but.......
shit Cripps, would you have it any other way.......wait dont answer that!
I reckon by the start of the season
And this summer we still need the same shit so what does that tell you? Toto and Kozza were awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Chamakh started off well but faded but we needed another CF cos Bendtner is as shite as it gets
I can answer that one....I can answer that one, he went for three mickey mouse signings not adequate for our needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Not defending AW at all jn this or any other transfer window. But the extent to which double standards apply to signings other teams make has to be noted.
I'm pretty sure 99% of the time if we signed a 20 year old from another league Ach would be moaning.
go there TG, spot on description of what we have between the sticks......bar handful of int gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner
If he was a quality player then no i wouldnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
If he was a nobody which we tend to buy then i wouldnt be the only one
Completely and utterly irrelevant in terms of what I was saying, and wrong in the case of Kozza, although very right in terms of Bendtner needing to be replaced so maybe that evens out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
He was saying it's an undisputable fact that Wenger never tries to solve problems in the transfer market, that was bollocks of the lowest order, even if you think that every signing we've made in the last 5 years has been shite we've always tried to solve the problems.
Or, he bought two experienced Internationals (one of whom was shite but he wasn't at the top of our wanted list imo) and a highly rated guy coming into his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Mickey mouse seems to be more a matter of perspective nowadays than it ever has been.
Is buying shite ass pub team players a way of solving problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Seems to me it just makes the problem bigger.
Like Kozza for example. He came in at a time we needed a CB. One year on we need one even more cos he was terrible for the most part.
No, we need another CB because Squillaci was shite. We were looking to buy two last summer as we seem to want to have 4 first team CBs, Squllaci was bought to make up the numbers as we couldn't get our higher priority targets, this summer we're getting a replacement for him.
Obviously, buying shite players is not a good idea but we didn't buy Danny Shittu to shore up our defence and nor did we buy Akinbiyi to score us some goals, we bought two good players and a stop gap, it didn't work out completely right but nor was it a disaster and nor were they bad signings.
Don't think he would be if the 20 year old was as highly rated as De Gea.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
A few people on here are very against garbage like Alvarez signing for us but jizzing at the prospect of Mata potentially coming. They're both roughly the same age. Can you spot the difference?
Kozzas mistakes every other game tells me differently. In a way i can forgive Totos shiteness cos he was never first choice. Kozza was and his Arsenal career is littered with mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
More on Mata:
From Arseblog News.Quote:
The agent of Valencia playmaker Juan Mata has remained coy on the future of the 23-year-old following speculation over the youngster’s future. While revealing Mata was unaware of an offer from Arsenal the player’s representative and father insisted that they will look at proposals from potential suitors this summer.
Mata was a key protagonist in the Spanish U-21 European Championship this summer and according to a report in the Daily Mail this morning is the subject of an £18m (€20.2m) offer from Arsenal.
Liverpool are also rumoured to be interested in the player but speaking to Arseblog News Juan Mata Snr revealed he was unaware of an offer from Arsenal, but would not rule out a move this summer. He said, “We’ve just returned from the U21 championships and my son has gone on holidays. As of today we haven’t spoken to anybody.
“I don’t know if Valencia have received a proposal from Arsenal or any other club. We will wait to hear from them”.
Asked if Arsenal would be of interest to his son he said, “I know Arsenal is a big club, a very important club in England, always in the Champions League, but it’s up to any club to pay the required amount to Valencia. Then we can look at the proposals”.
When asked the value Los Che have placed on the youngster he replied, “You would have to ask Valencia”.
Spanish publication Sport claims the release clause for Mata is €20m.
Or coming at the prospect of Mata jizzing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
I did not see zese mistakes, it seems to me that he's one of those guys that gets hammered for making the same errors as other players, I've seen Vidic be caught out of position and give away clumsy penalties and free-kicks yet some hold him up as some kind of demi-god whilst we're stuck with guys that can't put one foot in front of the other. There were more in the first few months, which was to be expected but aside from the Blues incident at Wembley he didn't do much wrong individually in the latter half of the season, not much more than any Serbian deities anyway.
So... in the Daily Mirror :rolleyes: ....
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/Arsenal
Hmmh. Start of July is almost here.... :coffee:Quote:
According to the Daily Mirror: "Arsenal will announce three new signings at the start of July". Catch that and the rest of the transfer rumours in today's Media Watch:
we have very little control of what gets down with the moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Boss
the only thing we can do and do well is bitch about everything from who is the next Charlie George to the texture of the toilet paper at the Emirates, or for that matter Ach's inability to tell good player from a bad one
so we what are we left to do, gotta suck it up and get behind the team,
I admit players do earn our wrath through constant bad performances, Bedtner or by showing no developement or contribution, Denilson/Rosicky or even by just being a complete clown, Eboue and should not look to hide
but players who we haven't even seen yet and have been bought by the club should be given some benefit of the doubt, Alvarez is coming under a lot of stick but I know you cannot judge the player based on youtube, you never know we could be pleasantly surprised
You may be right but then i dont really give a monkeys piss about Vidics mistakes or any non Arsenal players for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Fact of the matter is Kozza is a mistake waiting to happen every game and the trust in him isnt there other than from Wenger and hes an idiot anyway.
Well, levels of trust from people doesn't mean shit imo, especially given the levels of trust around Arsenal in general recently.
Aside from that, I don't agree but unless we stop fucking it up at the end of the season it's all a bit moot anyway.
Agreed - it seems to be a habit of this board to slag off our own guys and say how shit we are when defenders (and strikers, come to that) make any number of similar mistakes in other teams. I accept we need some improvements in any number of ways but I wish people would make more effort to get a perspective on it in comparison to other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
What do you think the problem is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Mentally weak ass players? Or just shit players being found out when the going gets tough?
Every defender makes mistakes but the frequency and occasion is what makes the difference. Kozza didn't have a good season and there is no sugar coating that. Made some very basic errors and good performances were few and far between. It's the reverse for top defenders. The bad games are few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
More the weak ass players as far as I'm concerned, not enough of them willing to stand up and take responsibility when it comes to the big games. I guess you gravitate towards the shite players being found out by what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Well, I''m afraid you simply have to dismiss me as delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I don't think he made more than any other defender at this level and nor do I think that his good performances were few and far between, we put in plenty of collectively iffy performances and as a part of the whole Kozza must take some blame for those but individually it was a good debut season imo.
Bit of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Even in Wengers trophy winning years 98-05, there were a couple of seasons there where we fell away at the latter end of the season most notably in 02/03 season.
And the players that season were better than the ones last season by quite a bit.
Whats the one similarity in those 2 seasons? Wenger.
Time for him to go
Can't argue with that, not convinced it's the solution but if big changes don't change it this season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
The benefit of doubt was given to the garbage we signed last summer; even though people doubted that they'd be decent signings they were supported until they proved beyond all doubt that they were shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
You can't guarantee a player's success but you can do certain things to make it more likely - signing players that are used to the league, for example, or signing players who have immense talent. We definitely didn't do that last season and I hope Wenger doesn't make the same mistake last year.
God weren't last summer's signings dreadful!
Chamspack, Squid, and Kos - fucking terrible.
According to Twitter we're close to buying Craig Gorden and Gary Cahill.
Craig Gordon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirjackofwilshere
The Sunderland keeper?
God please no. Our 3 are a bunch of clowns and we'd have to go some way to find someone worse than all 3 but Gordon is exactly that.
Thank fuck you said Twitter though
Twitter :lol:
negotiations are advanced for Gordon. Sorry but nowt you can do mate.
Any reliable source rather than some random person saying it on twitter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirjackofwilshere
He's out injured until October, I very much doubt we'd buy a Keeper who's crocked, oh wait a minute...if he's cheap....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirjackofwilshere
Shit and cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Perfect Wenger signing
You don't like Wenger do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Does any Arsenal fan anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirjackofwilshere
Wenger is a machud simples
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#Arsenal have been talking to Sunderland over transfer of Craig Gordon as GK competition.. Discussions very advanced