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Too late for that, they;d be left in the same position we are now, fishing around with very little quality swimming in the pond. They wouldn't go for it unless the bid was ludicrous - like £40mill and £2Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I'd offer a bit more than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
£40million and two pounds and a can of tizer and half a battered sausage. And a pull out special from the Xmas edition of Goal 1978.
Wtf? Dislocate his shoulder striking a match no doubt <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Wenger said it isn't serious and it's a matter of days, not weeks. He didn't mention how many hundreds of days that would be though...
He had a scan on Monday and reports saying he's out for three weeks. Will miss the International for England. Ankle injury again. It's a matter of weeks I'm afraid. According to the press anyway.
Just the same old shit. At the start of every season there is a question over someone leaving or needing a serious upgrade in a particular area. Striker it is this season then again. The DM position has slowly been forgotten over the past few weeks but Le Coq is going to pick up and injury at some point given how he plays and if not, he'll be run into the ground. So we'll have Arteta, Wilshere, or Cazorla and Ramsey paired up to fill the gap. Not good enough at all. Our squad looks strong or terms of midfielders but when it comes to them playing in natural positions it'll be more square pegs in round holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Just let this sink in.
Wilshere is becoming the new Rosicky.. fairly decent (sometimes good) when fit, but gives nothing to the squad. I think we should cash in on his GHEL value soon, or else we'd be dealing with this crock for life. Should sell him and Flamini, and get a DM (Wanayama) on board. Suicidal to think this crock will come good! :doh:
If City are still offering that £30m, we should take it and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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Pedro set to join United, £22m
Nah, we can't sell Jack just yet. Too early. Still loads of potential.
We've said that for years with Theo and we're stilling waiting, for whatever reason. They're both injury plagued and Jack is turning into another Diaby. His ankles are knackered already and it'll only get worse. Should've got rid of both of them.
RVP was plagued by injury too but he finally got over it once we started to handle him differently. Things can get better.
If we want a striker and Higuain is too much money, Benzema wants to stay in Spain and Aubameyang has signed a new contract, then what about Javier Hernandez from MU.
I know he is very similar to Theo but he is 27, very experienced, used to English football, and a proven goalscorer.
They sold us Welbeck so maybe they would sell us Hernandez.
What do you think ?
I don't see it happening. I'd prefer we start with Theo or Sanchez if we're going with a shorter player. Wenger's reluctant to start short players up front for some reason. Good to see Theo finally getting some game time up there but it's a rare thing to see. He's had chances to play Vela and Joel Campbell up front but he's reluctant.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Best anyone got was two seasons, not worth the effort. Sell the players, get premium UK value and reinvest with players that actually get on the pitch and do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But we won't reinvest. That's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Meh...Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
The thing is, I don't think we need another striker, purely for the sake of having another striker - our squad numbers are good as they are, and we were only 2 goals shy of the chelsea's total in the league last year. That was with several attackers and midfielders contributing less we should expect from them...
Walcott (7)
Ozil (5)
Oxlade-Chamberlain(3)
Welbeck (8)
Wilshere (2)
...I know some of those guys can point to injuries as a major factor, but the point is they should be well capable of increasing those tallies this year, if they're getting the games. Even Ramsey can do better than the 10 he got last year, given what we saw of him in 2013/14!
What we should be looking for in a new striker is an injection of world-class quality - another player who can break open a tight game, and come up with a moment of magic when we need it. If they're good enough, then we should still see that increase in goals, but for me it's more about giving us an edge in those elite-level CL games and the top-of-the-table PL-clashes. If we're not looking at buying that, then I'm not really that bothered about buying anyone...
If we went two players down like that we would reinvest. How well I'm not sure with Wenger in charge but they'd at least contribute as much as those two who offer minimal impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
yep - & then go and spend £8 mill of it on the next French 17 year old starlet from their 2nd division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Sometimes the best way to view other players is through their own fan forums. I remember enjoying the meltdown on Redcafe during Moyes's year & the fans were really anti-Hernandez. They say his ball retention is zero as is his link up play. He breaks down too many attacking moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Already done, so we don't have to spend squat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Minimal impact? Theo scored the first and important goal for the FA Cup final!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Jack has been patchy but when on top form he's a good player. You saw that last goal for us he scored. He's starting to get long range goals.
Hopefully they prove you wrong this season. But I don't see the need to cut players completely out of the team to improve. We shouldn't have to weaken ourselves to get better. Both players are too young to cut short now.
yep - you can imagine Wenger & the board chinking their glasses to another job well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
What we should be looking for in a new striker is an injection of world-class quality - another player who can break open a tight game, and come up with a moment of magic when we need it. If they're good enough, then we should still see that increase in goals, but for me it's more about giving us an edge in those elite-level CL games and the top-of-the-table PL-clashes. If we're not looking at buying that, then I'm not really that bothered about buying anyone..
Well said totally agree.
Fantastic. It only took 9 years to get something out of him. Looking at that Villa game and the team that turned up to play us, I'm pretty sure we would've coped well enough without our super striker starting the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Jack? Looks good but like Theo, isn't on the pitch enough and will never really develop with us, so cut our loses and get rid because his ankles are mush already. With they reckless way he plays, he'll just continue to pick up the injuries and take up room in our squad. Losing either of those wouldn't weaken us at all as they are both easily replaceable.
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Originally Posted by Kano
I'd hold onto Theo a bit longer than Jack just because Jack's having the same injury over and over again, and you know his ankles wont last the distance. However I agree that both are very dispensable.
You did say minimal impact. It was a goal against Villa but I don't think you realise how many important goals and moments he'll come up with against big teams or in big moments. One of the few that turns up. Just think of his first ever goal in the Carling cup final against Chelsea or that great assist against Liverpool in the CL that should have sent us through to the semi's. Those moments get overshadowed because of really poor defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
And cheating refs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
No, those moments are forgotten because in the long run they meant nothing and they haven't been backed up with consistent 'bread and butter' moments. The mainstay of any footballer worth a buck. Added to the fact he has hardly been on the pitch throughout the entire course of his career. Whatever the reasons, he isn't working out at the club and will just continue to flatter to deceive in the moments when he stays injury free. Whoevers fault it is that he is so underwhelming as a player heading into what are supposed to be his peak years doesn't matter anymore. He is what he is now and both club and player would've benefited from moving him on. But my complaints are just as pointless, he's here to stay for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Had the same issues with RvC but I think eventually every played who is not called Diaby gets their day in the sun. Theo has surely one standout season in him.
He (Theo) did, 2012/2013 season - 43 appearences, 21 goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Yep, he really came into his own that season. 21 goals and 16 assists from 43 games. I mean Sanchez had an amazing debut season with 25 goals and 12 assists from 52 games. That puts things into perspective. He had a pretty good season with RVP just before that with 11 goals and 12 assists. But it all gets forgotten so quickly.
It's the injuries and it's something the club need to get a grasp on. Theo, Rosicky and Diaby all signed in the same year and have to be our most injured players. Maybe that year was cursed? But when you look at how the club crocked Wilshere and rushed him back you have to question what's going on. They caused his ankle problems by misdiagnosing the problem and letting him play whilst injured after that England game. Ramsey is another one all of sudden picking up constant injuries and the same started happening to Cesc.
I think we have turned a corner on this issue, last season was much much better on the injury front. Players looked stronger and fitter, but dont know what has changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Shad Forsythe is our new head of 'athletic performance enhancement'. He's helping with our fitness, conditioning and rehabilitation.
I hope we've turned a corner but Welbeck and Wilshere's injuries worry me slightly.
We can blame who we want for injuries, Wenger, physios, whatever. The bottom line is there are players, like Theo and like Wilshere, that are just not robust enough and do not get enough pitch time to justify their inclusion in our squad. RVP had two great seasons in a career lasting over a decade so far. That's absolutely awful for someone at a top club.
He's not at a top club :pal:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
So wait a minute. The club misdiagnose the extent of Wilshere's injury and allow him to play with a busted ankle, it makes the injury worse and he's laid up for a while but we rush him back from his recover and he gets crocked again. That's not the players fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Ramsey had a similar situation with being rushed back from injury. Cesc had a situation where he was playing with a broken leg. The manager has admitted a several times that certain players are played into the red zone. So if Sanchez or Ozil start breaking down are we saying we can't accommodate such players into the squad because their not robust enough and we swat aside this constant injury problem that plagues players? It's not just Wilshere and Walcott. It just so happens they're our longest serving players. Gibbs is injury prone. Ox is injury prone. It's a lot of players.
I have zero interest in who's fault it is. None whatsoever. That has been debated season after season across the internet, pubs, work desks and living rooms. It's a boring discussion. There is nothing new to discuss in my eyes except going over the same turgid ground reply after reply. That's my opinion on that. So all I care about is the bottom line. And on that bottom line exists the facts that I have said in my previous responses, that Wilshere and Walcott are crocks that will never develop fully at our club. I'll stay right behind them while they wear an Arsenal shirt but given their records, that won't be too much. If Ox continues down the same path this season I'll say the same thing. Same with Gibbs. Hanging onto crocks who don't play is a contradictive exercise and poor management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You are are trying to move the argument to players will zero comparable qualities. Sanchez has reached the peak of his abilities, as has Ozil. We are talking about two players who have experienced injuries season after season and have never, and will never, be able to sustain enough consecutive seasons to realise their full potential.
Walcott had 3 seasons where he played 28, 35 and 32 league games.
He had the long injury which spanned 2 seasons so hasn't played so much in those 2 seasons but given that before that he was playing the majority of games, one long injury is no basis to dismiss him as a 'crock' unless it reoccurs.
He's not in the Champions League this year either. :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Injury Time
For the second year running :haha:.
RVC :haha:.