Well if he was, he'd be a diffrent player as fergie would not take that shite, but he is no worse the bebe is he.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
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Well if he was, he'd be a diffrent player as fergie would not take that shite, but he is no worse the bebe is he.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Bebe. :haha:
At least Bebe was really cheap.
Oh wait!
:haha:
But it's not clear, that's the point. Lots of teams rely on stats to look at players nowadays, he ain't called Statinho for nothing after all, and that's before you look at the fact that he has actually had good games for us. There's enough to convince teams to have a bash at him, he's a bit lazy and inconsistent but he's young and experienced at the highest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
We're never going to agree though because I feel he has a modicum of talent whereas you think he's a cut below Michael Brown, bear in mind that there's many people out there with many different opinions, some of those go out and buy players for teams...
I can't imagine a Prem team being interested in him, he's not suited to this league at all. Nowhere near as dynamic as what's required.
Funny though that no one has appeared to want him.
Same 3 cunts we have been after for weeks and still we haven't got any of them.Quote:
Arsenal are hoping to announce the signing of Lille's Ivory Coast striker Gervinho and that is likely to be followed by a move for Bolton's England centre half Gary Cahill and Blackburn's Chris Samba.
Full story: Daily Mirror
Wenger :lol:
Awful manager
It makes sense to pay somebody to take him. If he really has 3 years left on his contract and he's earning a stupid amount of money then if we tabled an offer of Statinho + £2mill we'd be saving ourselves money over the years that would otherwise have been spent on a useless player that takes up a place on the roster but gives nothing in return. Surely there would be some club out there that would go for a deal like that? Plus, wouldn't we get a cut of the transfer fee and wouldn't his agent have to pay us?
John Cross :lol:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Been reading Bounce by Matthew Syed and he reflects on the ideas of a growth mindset (people who think hard work will achieve results) and those who have a fixed mindset (they think talent alone brings success - so often don't try hard because of fear of failure etc). Interesting stuff. Most of our players are clearly of a fixed mindset, it seems.
Aint he that twat who kept making shit up on twitter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Twitter :lol:
Classic case of what BS it is
He's supposed to be someone with a good knowledge of Arsenal goings-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
But he seems as clueless as any other tabloid 'journalist'.
He got some abuse from a few GW members, GP and Jackthelad I think. It was highly amusing.
Is JTL still alive?
Hasn't he signed up to the new board? I haven't seen a post of his since last September
If that kid stays rubbish, Fergie won't hesitate to get rid of him. He's out on loan already. We allowed Denilson to rack up over 150 appearances and at one point started more games than any other Arsenal player. It's taken Wenger a long time to realise that this reserve player from Sao Paulo is garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
You can't achieve anything in life without a bit of graft tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...corruption.jpgQuote:
You can't achieve anything in life without a bit of graft tbh.
Another awful article from him today saying we'll lose Cesc and Nasri this week to Barca and Utd respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
It really is an awful piece of writing.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/tran...cle753708.html
Any normal manager would think like this. But Wenger wants to keep him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Yeah, they're probably like me and can see how rubbish he is and don't want to waste money on a player who doesn't put a shift in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Arsene's socialist style of paying all the shite in our squad mega wages, like our top players, so they don't feel bad is going to fuck us this summer. Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Rosicky, Almunia etc etc won't leave for less wages and we'll be stuck with the lot of them.
That's a really good point actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...tienne?cc=5739
Payet has signed for Lille, maybe this paves the way for us to complete the Gervinho deal?Quote:
Payet signs for Lille
June 29, 2011
France international Dimitri Payet is looking forward to a "new adventure'' after completing his move to Ligue 1 champions Lille from St Etienne.
Payet, 24, put pen to paper on a four-year deal on Tuesday night, ending a four-year association with ASSE.
Payet, who scored 13 goals last season, will now have the chance to play in the Champions League next term and he admits the lure of European football was too much to ignore.
"It's a huge satisfaction to finally be here in Lille,'' he told Lille's official website. "This was primarily a sporting decision. I was attracted by the future project of the club, a competitive team - here, there is everything to succeed.
"With LOSC I get to play in the Champions League and play a leading role in Ligue 1. Although so much happened in my four years at St Etienne, I needed a new adventure. I think Lille are the club that will help me with that.''
A completely f*cked up policy by idealistic Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
I never understood this policy, the better players get more money that's how it's always been, if you proe yourself you get an improved contract....for some dum reason we decided players had nothing to prove and handed over wads of cash to players who have never excelled or achieved anything, at the same time we allow our top players (who cost us money) to run doen their contract....the height of stupdity if you ask me.
The irony behind it all is Arsene & the board preach on about wages and not paying big money to star players when they load the squad with Junk on inflated wages. We can't even get rid of the Junk, nobody wants to touch em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
We could have had a couple of top tier players for the cost of the wages of those aforementioned players.
I agree regarding the players who have never acheived anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I don't get your point about our top players running down their contracts; To my knowledge on Flamini has done that in the past (and BTW, he did it everywhere he went, and has acheieved precisely fuck all elsewhere) and Nasri, who has been offered a MORE THAN REASONABLE 90k per week, which has been on the table for over a year. Tell me exactly where we have allowed our top players to run dwon contracts??
It's utter madness. You've got players like Bendtner and Rosicky on the same money as Modric and Bale.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
We're just never going to shift the dead wood (even if Wenger wants to). Who in their right mind is going to pay Bendtner, Denilson and Rosicky anything like what they're on at the moment??
Never heard of the keeper, we were never going to get Mata cos he's too well known and I really hope the last line is true.Quote:
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger wants to bring in Inter Milan's £8m-rated goalkeeper Emiliano Viviano.
Full story: the Sun
But it looks likely that Wenger will fail to lure Juan Mata to the Emirates after the midfielder said he is happy at Valencia.
Full story: the Independent
Gunners midfielder Denilson is attracting interest from AC Milan. Express
Meh not really bothred about mata anyway i mean he'd only keave us to join barca in 2-3 years anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
maybe AW did not want a 23 year old who plays in u21 tournaments
Not Wengers fault its the board, i highly doubt the Manger sorts out contracts and lengths of them, well i suppose that was diens job now Ivans.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
anyway my point is the board know we have a tight wage structure so why they let this happen is beyond me.
http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/Quote:
10.00 SANCHEZ UPDATE Roberto Mancini claims Manchester City have ended their interest in Udinese winger Alexis Sanchez. “I have spoken to Sanchez and he told me that he was available to join us,” Mancini told Sky Sport Italia. “However, we then ended our interest. We pulled out of the race to sign the Chilean after our last offer was tabled.”
Uh, I'm sorry but can someone explain to me how everyone seems to all of a sudden know how much our players are earning, and how everyone also seems to know that we are operating a system where everyone gets paid the same wage?
Thanks.
Edu, Nasri, Flamini, Clichy come to mind. I was thinking about players who are actually worth something basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I hear us re-signing youngsters on long term contracts etc (and never letting these run down) but there's examples with our top players where this isn't done.
Seems to me that AW has his fingers in many pies....too many if you ask me. I still think we never let kids contracts run down and yet with the likes of Nasri we have, it would have been better to keep him under a longer contract even if we did plan to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Er let's see, Wenger said as much. Not the same wage but he doesn't want big wage differences amongst most of the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironing
Bloody commie frog.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Right, that's not exactly the same is itQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
How are you quantifying 'big wage difference' ? What is a 'big difference' in Wenger's eyes? How much is 'most of the squad'
Is there a reliable online footballer's wage reference? I'm also interested in the claim that Bendtner earns the same amount as Modric & Male (Grebbo pg. 23)
To me, a player can run down a contract if he wishes. The club can offer them a deal, but sometimes that's not what the player wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
You can either bow to their demands, or you just leave it be. You can't force a player to sign a new deal.
With Nasri, he's demanding parity with Cesc, our captain, and he does not deserve that wage imho. We've offered a good package if you believe what is written, and so why should we do any more for the kid. This was done last year....so wehn exactly were we supposed to renegotiate that contract??? Two years ago?? When he was injured and had done absolutely jack all for us??
With Flamini, he openly admits that he is a business man, and therefore he was always going to piss off. Tbh, it was hardly a sore miss, and he's done nothing since.
Edu, I am actually pissed off we failed to resign him, as I think he was a brilliant player, but then again, he was also far to inconsistent.
Clichy?? Come on. He's been useless for three years now, and has cost us a lot of points. Why should we renew a contract of a player who has not improved?? Or is this soley down to sell on value in your eyes??
The club should not be held to ransom by mercinarys. In all the cases you mention, we have offered improved deals. And those deals are what the club are prepared to offer. Of those players you mention, which ones do you think were deserved of massive wage increases?
Like I said; I agree with you on the youngsters. Special cases like Cesc, probably Wilshire etc deserve it imho, but others?? But as Ironing says, we don't know precisely what they are being paid do we....
Well if you believe what you read then Bendtner and Denilson are on 40-50k a week, that suggests the squad members get a lot more than they should. We know what some of the others get too, doesn't Chamakh get 50k I think it was. So you can already see the kind of wages we're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironing
If you look at our wage bill though, there's no doubt we have a hig average as we don't have many stars and yet our bill is very high.
I'm not saying some of those are great players, but with a longer contract their worth more. I'd say if someone doesn't want to sign, sell them whilst their value is high...you don't have to bow down but you have to protect yourself from losing players cut price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Nasri IMO should have been signed up last summer, if he wasn't going to we should have got our money back and signed someone else. We should make it clear that we want to extend their contract but that if they don't then we'll be left with no choice but to sell as we don't want to lose them for less than market value.
That has nothing to do with socialism. If we had geniune socialism, every player who be paid his geniune worth, i.e. the labour theory of value. In that case, lazy bastards like Denilson and Bendtner who free ride off the success of others would be paid jack shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
It's not Wenger's so called "socialism" that's the problem, it's his free market fundamentalist ideas that has got us into this predicament, combined with the old fashioned ideas of our board members, who are simply old Etonian dinosaurs.
Chamakh on 50k? After signing him for free? I'd be surprised if it's under 65k at the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I have no doubt our young players are on more than at other clubs, them being first team regulars and all but I'm not entirely sure what your point is. You want us to negotiate contracts earlier just in case players get good later but you don't want us to pay young players more as they haven't proven themselves yet? That seems kinda contradictory to me.