There's nothing inherently wrong with what he's said, I just find it a bit rich coming from a player who's blown hot and cold more times than anyone else this season.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with what he's said, I just find it a bit rich coming from a player who's blown hot and cold more times than anyone else this season.
What did Cazorla exactly say that's wrong? Seems as if the players are as pissed off at Wenger for not spending as we are.
The timing is completely wrong because saying that we don't have a winning mentality just before a cup semi-final is not exactly helpful. But at least he's honest, and said that if we don't win anything then he's off at the end of his contract. Fair enough I say, players are human too, it's not just fans that are pissed off :shrug:
What are we doing today? Showing sympathy for a player who is supposed to be fighting his guts out on the pitch but is instead issuing come and get me pleas to the gypos now the going is tough? He's got a contract that ends in a couple of years and after that he's got the right to do what he wants, no problems there. What I question is his respect for the fans, there doesn't seem to be any. He should stop talking about Ozil and talk more about himself and how he's gone missing when the chips were down or how he routinely throws his full back under the bus because tracking back is beneath him. He should keep his mouth shut and deliver his self advertising on the pitch if he's keen to be away. That makes sense from every point of view.
I think all the midfield players have had mares bar Ramsey. Wilshere, Ozil, Ox, Arteta, Flamini, Pod, Rosicky....from attack minded to defensive...they've all struggled badly to impose themselves. The balance of the squad is all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The fans pay the money - the players take the money. There's a huge difference. Even if you work at the post office (like Sanogo did) you don't post up a notice saying you want to leave for DHL, do you? The boss would have every right to fire your arse and stop your pay. But I suppose this guy wants to continue getting his ransom while he job hunts through the media. Not pleasant, we've seen it before of course. Even if Wenger's policies are 100% fucked, the fans pay this player and turn out every week to cheer him on. You;d expect at least a tight lip if he can't manage some respect and a simple thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
It's not the fans that pay the players, it's the manager and club that choose to pay them that much, the fans put their money in but have no say where it goes.
Players have been saying this for years and still nothing changes, noone at the club gives a toss about the fans or the reality about our situation, the only care about the profits.
Incidentally Wenger takes the money too, quite a lot and if you're going to blame the players you have to blame him too, if he's making the club money so are they are they're also involved in the picking up of points to achieve this and bringing the fans in to watch.
He's not said much wrong, he's talking about when his contract ends and what he might do, looking for a successful club would be logical, he's not saying he's moving on whilst still contracted, but I imagine it's frustrating for the players to see the same thing happen time and time again and no apparent changes in philosophy by the manager to try and address the issue.
Comparing football to a job at the post office is ridiculous though. Yes they are contractually obliged to shut up and kick a ball but football seems to be a different complex compared to normal, everyday society. It's almost as if football is detached from reality and runs on a completely different moral/value system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Also, the issues at this club are unusually unique so you can't expect players to just stay quiet. We're different in the sense that we've had chronic issues dating back years and years, that don't seem to be addressed. While a player at Man Utd (for example) may be frowned upon for speaking out as they've only had 8 months of mediocrity in 20 or so years, the issues at Arsenal are deeper and a little bit more thought provoking. You can't blame our players for speaking out.
Disagree entirely with your white collar view of wealth generation. Nothing happens without the consumer, no business, no banks, nothing at all unless there's a demand. The myth that supply drives demand might be highly fashionable but simple logic dispels the theory. I didn't say the fans don't pay Wenger, that's something you introduced as a counterpoint to a non-existent proposal. Within the scope of the argument there's no need to blame Wenger, not unless there's an article out there where he's issuing pleas to the gypos. You're correct that Cazorla can do what he wants when his contract ends, I already stated that. Similarly Wenger can do what he wants when his own contract expires. I didn't say Cazorla isn't generating revenue for the club. So none of your points have any value when you examine them, not comparatively at least and certainly not in relation to anything I said.
Fact is Cazorla's contract has not expired and he's being paid to play for and represent the club. He's not doing either very well at the moment. His poor play and lack of judgement is undoubtedly useful to those who want to criticise the club at every turn, but if you look at the principle of the thing Cazorla is in the wrong. As somebody has mentioned already, right before a crucial match he comes out with this. He has no respect. Or he has been misquoted by the eternally shitty media. Doesn't look like it on this occasion though.
True enough, football is detached from the reality of most fans. But it is far from a fantasy existence and this sort of wrangling and politicking is commonplace at the upper tiers of business. It usually goes on behind the scenes though, not in the media. You've seen politicians leave for "health reasons", I'm sure. Behind the scenes will be a bloodbath of treachery and betrayal. It happened in our own boardroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
There's a nastiness to all of this, isn't there? Fighting and bitching at the executive level with the fat Russian gangster always willing to stick a knife in, down through certain of the players who are evidently here for themselves and themselves alone, and now with the split in the fan base with some trying by any means to destroy the manager even if this requires defeat on the pitch. All the while there's this bullshit about spirit and unity while the very basic demand of any team based sport, togetherness, is missing. So many people shouting out their interests with a suffix of having the best interests of the club at heart. Do they hell. It's comical in a dark way. We've imploded in every way imaginable just as we reach the end of what has been a gruelling slog with very few moments in compensation. Is it irony or idiocy?
I can understand frustration both on the part of the players and the fans. It's easy to understand the frustration. But there are ways to go about expressing it, I think a job application in the national press is not a useful way.
NQ, how has this been turned into another debate about class wars, politics and capitalism? I'm surprised you haven't gone for the the old 'anti Arsenal' media shit stirring story and on this occasion, I don't think you'd be far off. Rer-read that interview. We might be getting carried away.