Ozil - Do we need him?

Who's talking about Eriksen in here?

Throw Cesc into the equation. Shits over both of them. Attack and defence.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma.../clearances#90

Mastermind is also talking out of his ass about Cesc not covering enough ground. Under Mourinho, he was the player to cover more ground than any of his team mates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ea-player.html

This season, despite not playing much Cesc still leads the line for distance covered at Chelsea.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...056.html%3Famp

We're talking about Eriksen to illustrate the media myth because he's the closest equivalent and an example of a player who doesn't seem to draw fire for not being all PL about his defensive work. If all 22 players rushed around the place for 90 minutes, barging, flying into tackles, punting it and sprinting after it, the media would say it was the greatest game ever. We miss Cazorla because he can retain and use the ball in a frantic PL midfield. Just as we miss Ozil for the same reasons, he can hold, use and distribute a ball. But he can't make Giroud run. He can't dictate the team selections, the shape, the tactics, the individual technique of the players Wenger favours, nor the overall mentality we go into games with. All of that is Wenger's job. If Wenger did his job we'd get a lot more out of not just Ozil but all of them.

Do we need him. Damn yes, we'd be in even bigger shit without him. At least we have a few decent players. Should we pay big money for him? If Wenger is staying, probably not. There's no point. We won't need top tier players as Wenger moulds us into a mid-table team. Standard PL cloggers will do. But if we're bringing in a real manager then we'll need a whole bunch of different types of player, one type being Ozil.

Who cares about the media myth besides you?

So we need Ozil to help us hold possession? Do you hear yourself when berating Wenger’s obsession with the possession statistics?

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Who cares about the media myth besides you?

So we need Ozil to help us hold possession? Do you hear yourself when berating Wenger’s obsession with the possession statistics?

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All those fans on the lazy Ozil kick surely care about the media myth because that's where their opinions must be coming from, considering the facts run contrary.

Where did I say I wanted us to be a possession crazed team? But because that's what Wenger has us playing, it's kind of imperative for us to have players who can retain possession, otherwise we'd be even more fucked. I'd much rather see Ozil and the rest of the team used in a more ambitious system, but with Wenger we have what we have.

Dont care if Ozil leaves or stays. He isnt the problem at Arsenal. Biggest headache is who would take him. Hopefully somewhere like AC Milan who can afford him
Player id like to see replace both Ozil and Cazorla is Siggurdssen of Swansea. Offers more energy and can take a free kick. Forget he was once a Spud. 15m should do it.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Dont care if Ozil leaves or stays. He isnt the problem at Arsenal. Biggest headache is who would take him. Hopefully somewhere like AC Milan who can afford him
Player id like to see replace both Ozil and Cazorla is Siggurdssen of Swansea. Offers more energy and can take a free kick. Forget he was once a Spud. 15m should do it.

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Just because Wenger has no clue and can't get the basics right doesn't mean we should buy into his drive for mid table obscurity. There are plenty of journeymen in the PL, players we could use to build a solid, if not spectacular, team under a competent manager. But don't we want shot of Wenger for his bare minimum philosophy? This is the real danger now. If Wenger persists for 2 more years he'll cement us into the second tier and change the whole nature of the club in the process.

Staggering to think we have two billionaire owners, supposedly a top manager (LOL) and some of the world's best facilities and yet we're sitting here wondering if we can retain and afford our best players and if anyone of note would want to join us. What an indictment of the fuck-ups in charge of the place.

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

He was shit for Germany at the world cup

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And yet they kept picking him all the way to the final :shrug:

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2014/07/14...e-at-world-cu/

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

All those fans on the lazy Ozil kick surely care about the media myth because that's where their opinions must be coming from, considering the facts run contrary.

Where did I say I wanted us to be a possession crazed team? But because that's what Wenger has us playing, it's kind of imperative for us to have players who can retain possession, otherwise we'd be even more fucked. I'd much rather see Ozil and the rest of the team used in a more ambitious system, but with Wenger we have what we have.

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As you can see, I've questioned Ozil's place in the team for a long time and has zero to do with media influence. It comes back to the type of players he needs around him and the striker in front. I’ve seen a number of different combinations and still feel Ozil is a passenger for most games. That’s not to put all the blame on him but I’m not absolving him either. Despite being technically gifted, I’m lumping him in there with Xhaka, Giroud, Walcott, Coquelin and Ramsey because I feel these type of players have distinctive strengths and weaknesses and it takes a combination and conditions to see them perform well.

I didn't say you wanted a possession crazed team. I asked if that's what we need Ozil to help us with? It would be a great help if he could do more in that area when we’re struggling to bypass teams that press, but he doesn’t. Even in games where we hold the bulk of possession, nothing is done with the ball because almost every player seems adverse to taking a risk besides Sanchez and Ox.

Delusions of Grandeur wants Wenger gone but I genuinely do not believe he knows why.

Wenger is a poor coach but the players need to shoulder some responsibility as well, if we had any strong personalities on the pitch we'd be doing a lot better. If someone like Ozil had the mentality to match his ability then he'd be a different animal.

Chelsea for example have gone through plenty of managerial upheaval over the years, however their players were always strong enough to get it together amongst themselves.