Man City bought Otamendi for £32 milion.
That's £74 million on just two defenders from this summer and last. Why do we watch this shit?
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Man City bought Otamendi for £32 milion.
That's £74 million on just two defenders from this summer and last. Why do we watch this shit?
I think we have the creative quality in the squad, it's just we have a manager obsessed with central attacking midfielders who invariably won't bring on players with pace and width until it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
As far as I'm concerned two of three of Ox/Walcott/Sanchez should be playing every game and alternated so that those three will start two out of three games and come off the bench for the third.
And then we can alternate between Giroud and Welbeck up front depending on who we are playing, but oh no Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey have to play every game no matter what.
If we used our squad sensibly, yes there would still be the need for additions (another holding midfielder to take the weight off Coquelins shoulders) but we'd be in a much better place with injuries, and we'd have the ability to get in behind teams defending deep without congesting the middle of the park.
Completely agree, I think we look so much more dangerous with pace on both flanks. But he always seems to revert back to congesting the midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
2 out of The Ox, Theo and Sanchez at all times sounds good to me.
WUMger only stumbles upon dynamic line ups when injuries force his hand. Fully expect the likes of Wilshere, Cazorla, Ramsey and Ozil to be shoehorned into odd positions for the rest of the season.
Nah, a better game would be 'where are they now'. A good chunk of them are M.I.A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Lets buy back Cesc and play him DM
To all of Cescs boyfriends on here, matherfackin Wenger knows :wave:Quote:
Cesc earning rave reviews from Chelsea fans:
Znape @ZoydPls
Kudos to whoever hacked into Fabregas's phone and set the calendar to January.
Eid @EidHagi
Fabregas is the worst player ive seen in my 42 years of supporting chelsea, get out of my club you wasteman
Sid. @10EH_
I never question Jose but how does Fabregas start in big games. He is the most terrible first team playmaker Jose has ever had..
Mo @Jokerinho
Leave our club Fabregas.
⚠ KING JOE ⚠ @joecolman9
@ChelseaFC and also tell him that Fabregas is crap, slow and past it if you care to watch football, you have plenty of money, spend it!
Aayush Sidd @slicesofIife
Fabregas as invisible as soldier in camo gear. Awful.
Caius Livius @Nziramasanga
Chelsea had a short pre-season but it's no excuse for today's result. Fabregas should be sold, he's finished #CFC
God's Gift @JoeNuga
What does Fabregas have to do to get benched, or sold? He's a liability. An injury layoff might be in order.
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We are little bit lacking in sharpness but will regroup and fight in the next window.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Wenger created him you fool. The lack of discipline in his movement was picked up here at Arsenal and you only have to look at Ramsey and Wilshere as testament to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
As good as Cesc can be, he's always been an extremely passive player. Definitely needs babysitting if you want to see him excel.
You are going to take comments written at the heat of the moment seriously? There is a person saying Cesc is the worst player he saw in 42 years.. now that is some serious BS! Cesc was immense for them last season and this season their entire team has been shit. Still think we should have offloaded Arteta, Flamini, Wilshere and got in Cesc. He is head and shoulders above them put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
No, I've seen your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
#burn.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/arse...ignings-wenger
Does he rate Giroud that highly? Does he rate Ramsey and Wilshere above Vidal?Quote:
Arsenal 'not close' to new signings – Wenger
Arsene Wenger says Arsenal are "not close" to any new signings, as speculation regarding Karim Benzema continues.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has again cooled speculation regarding a move for Karim Benzema, insisting the club are not close to making any new signings.
The Real Madrid striker has been repeatedly linked with a switch to the Emirates Stadium in recent months, though Wenger has frequently denied a move will materialise.
Real boss Rafael Benitez has also been moved to dismiss the prospect and, when asked on Friday, Wenger clarified the club's stance on incoming transfers ahead of the deadline at the end of the month.
"When the season starts the window should be finished," he said.
"It is too big an advantage for clubs that didn't work well during the transfer window.
"The funds are there, people know that you have the resources, but the players are not available. We expect [transfers], like you, but at the moment, we are not close to anybody.
"There is a shortage [of number nines] in the world. There is a difference between financial power and the availability of top-class players.
"In Europe today you maybe have 15 clubs with huge financial resources who don't need the money.
"I'm not against buying if it is really a plus for the team. If it is just buying players at the level of the players you have I am not for that."
Wenger was also quizzed on a potential departure for club-record signing Mesut Ozil, the Germany international having been linked with Galatasaray and Juventus this week.
Ozil impressed during Sunday's 2-1 win over Crystal Palace and Wenger added: "I feel Mesut is now completely committed to the club. He is focused on getting results."
Hope we pull something off because Wenger has worked a miracle with Giroud and if you ask me he's a grade C striker with managed to elevate to a grade B.
Now even if there are flaws in the players we've been linked with, why can't Wenger elevate their games from grade B to grade A? I guess with Cavani and Benzema it's a price thing.
I know he says the same thing each year regardless of whether we are actually trying for players, but damn he's frustrating. What's all the nonsense about an unfair advantage for teams not working well in the transfer window.
If somebody refuses to run they refuse to run. If Mourinho and Guardiola cant fix that theres not much that can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Wengers mistake was persevering for so long with him. The idea of carrying a luxury midfielder who cant do shyt but pass is absurd. Its not like hes Yaya Toure or Zidane who can win games for you. Madness. Glad hes been found out.
Cesc won us plenty of games but I won't get into that. What do you make of Ozil?Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Cesc's 700 assists against shit teams in the first two months of the season won them the league last year. He is a key reason they won the league. But we don't have the problem of creating chances, we have the problem of converting them and conceding them, and he wouldn't have helped in either respect - apart from not being able to help Chelsea. I would've bought him just for that fact. Wenger's not ruthless enough.
Should be doing more but far more talented than Fabregas and a natural number 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
And Cazorla makes Cesc look like an absolute plodder when you compare CM play in tight areas. Better than he ever was. And he works harder.
Ozil has far more talent than Cesc but does a lot less which makes him frustrating. Doesn't score or assist as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Cazorla works harder but he's not better than Cesc. He doesn't score or assist enough from his position either.
BOBN, I think you’re over emphasizing his work rate and lack of defence qualities whilst ignoring his assist and goal contribution. It’s like someone telling me Drogba was a better striker than Henry because he worked harder on defending and was better in the air. Come on now, see some sense.
Yes we doQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
No we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
It's a bit of both because we'll have games this season we're we get bogged down in tippy tappy antics just playing in front of a defence.
Ozil was always rated a lot higher than Cesc in Spain, but in the premier league he does have a lot more to prove. Not necessarily in terms of goals, but in terms of having more of an impact in games, especially when we're struggling and need someone to step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I disagree about Cazorla though. Cesc might have a better eye for a pass but Cazorla is a better player overall. Santi can wriggle out of any situation, which makes him the perfect player to feed the ball to from the back. Cesc was always a bit too robotic and slow on the ball. He doesn't give you the same fluidity as other playmakers which is probably one of the reasons he wasn't trusted to take over from Xavi.
Mourinho would swap them in a heartbeat if he got the chance.
I agree, but not because we don't have enough CAM's with creativity and vision. It's because of Wenger's ridiculous tactics, having Ramsey on the right of a 4-3-3 and having a CF who can only run as fast as my crippled grandfather. And my grandfather's paralysed from the waist down...Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Santi is a great player to watch but he doesn't score or assist as much goals as Cesc. He needs to up his numbers. Maybe we'll see that this season because he certainly has the ability.
You can fill your midfield with Cesc's, Ozil's & Santi's but if you don't have attacking players making the right runs to either create space or get in behind the defense it is pointless. Giroud is far to static for these players to thrive. Have a look at Santo & Ozil in the games v West Brom & Cup final ( last two games of last season ) - fantastic. Why - Theo started up top. I'm not a great Theo fan due to his lack of composure but at least he makes the runs that turns defenses.
:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Agree with that and why I'm always saying Theo should be starting up top. He can learn composure and has over the years and when on his game he will get you a hat trick. Has Giroud ever scored one for us? Teams don't fear Giroud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
no, the forward they bought last summer is why they won the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Chelsea created a million and one chances before Cesc got there but had no one to score goals.
Cesc helped, obvs, but it was Costa who got that title for them.
http://i.imgur.com/u12V7gZ.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's a combo of both. Not just one or the other. Cesc assisted Costa for a lot of goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
That's a nice chart. Well done. :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
Theo's problem is not composure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Its that if you held a gun to his mom's head and said you would squeeze it if you don't hold this ball up and bring your midfielders into play, you would end up with Theo's mom's brain matter on you. And he will never learn how to do that because he is physically and technically incapable of that.
It was Costa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Chelsea would have won the league in 2013/14 if they had a competent striker.
Cesc was the cherry on top,
How hard is it to understand it's a combo of both? Cesc was on course to setting the assist record last season. Costa did well to put chances away but it's not as if he was a one man wrecking machine creating his own opportunities. He only scored 21 goals. Nothing amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
How hard is to understand that it was not a combination of both? It was Costa that was the big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Chelsea's problem was not having a finisher, not creating chances. Fernando Torres, Demba Ba, and the corpse of Samuel Eto'o was their forward line that season.
I am not saying Chelsea were a one man team (well they werent at the start of that season. From January onward they did become a one man attack with Hazard just getting penalties and creating everything)
And to get back into where the convo was going, Cesc has always been a tactical nightmare unless you had a player solely dedicated to making sure he could create. Its why Wenger eventually took the CM role away from him.
Dude, you need to do something about your username. Seriously. What you're saying can't be proven at all. The facts are Cesc got the most assists and had a good partnership with Costa and was on record with the most assists in the league. That's fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
Again, that's your opinion and not fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
Who cares about those chav wankers?
This is a thread to discuss all of Arsenal's transfer activity this summer. Can we stick to the topic please? Or close the thread?
Both amount to the same thing.
and all I said is that Costa was the pivotal player, not Cesc. Chelsea were second in the premiership in chances created to Manchester City in 2013-14 and had the most shots in the league but were 7th in percentage of shots on target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Even further, I responded to someone saying Cesc was the key reason they won the league last fall which was nonsense.
Has Theo shown a consistent ability to hold the ball under pressure from centerbacks, yes or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We have a problem creating chances when the other team has 10 people behind the ball. We will tippy tappy for 90 minutes and 'may be' have a couple of close chances. We dont go wide to open up spaces and since we are hell bent on going down the middle, Cesc would be much better playing the eye of the needle pass when compared to Wilshere, Ramsey or Coq. I would put him on a step above Santi and Ozil to play those killer balls. However Santi and Ozil have better positioning compared to Cesc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn