General Football Nonsense

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Originally Posted by Shaqiri Is Boss

Still doesn't count :lol:
Tbh as I wasn't born in 89 it doesn't really have much of an impact on me. Still never seen the goal though. Actually I feel like that isn't true, wouldn't be able to picture it in my mind though.

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I just assume everyone in this place is older than me :lol:

There is the emotional significance of Hillsborough and what it would surely have meant for fans to cement the title on the last day for the dead fans and to stick it in the eye of a largely unsympathetic establishment. I do find it depressing that some of the narrative about Liverpool fans being responsible for their own deaths still lingers despite the evidence pointing the blame where it firmly belongs, South Yorkshire Police.

But what Liverpool had won before hand and have won since, probably relegates this day into having less significance to them than it has for Arsenal fans

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I do find it depressing that some of the narrative about Liverpool fans being responsible for their own deaths still lingers despite the evidence pointing the blame where it firmly belongs, South Yorkshire Police.

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I'll be honest, I bought in to that narrative for too long. Not in a "The Sun" way of basically saying they were asking for it.
But football fans are bloody idiots, on average, so I couldn't help feel that their idiocy was a contributing factor. It seems increasingly clear that wasn't actually the case.

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But what Liverpool had won before hand and have won since, probably relegates this day into having less significance to them than it has for Arsenal fans

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It has to be remembered that for Arsenal fans it was the first title since 1971, and it seemed like a young side had crumbled under the pressure and fallen short.
And it being the last game of the season, and it being a winner takes all, and given Liverpool's record at Anfield. And to nick it in the dying seconds.
You can still all that up your "Aguerooo". That one doesn't even compare.

I actually think had we just needed a draw we might not have got one. Liverpool would have gone for it more and would probably have steamrolled us.
Impossible to know of course. But as it was it was a cagey, boring first half. Liverpool knowing a draw was good enough, us knowing we couldn't afford to fall behind.
It ramped up in the second half, particularly after Smith's goal.
My one slight regret is I wasn't more in to football and I didn't go up to Highbury after the result. But it was late and I was 15 and quite a young 15.

Talking about the Smith goal, that documentary that Mac posted basically suggests that the Liverpool players had no reason to protest the goal and didn’t seem to offer one, I think originally they’d suggested Smith hadn’t made contact and the ball had gone straight in from an indirect free kick (which I’ve always found to be a strange rule anyway) and largely they were just hoping to pressure the ref and the linesman into not giving it (cheating bastards)

The whole game was pretty unspectacular barring the two goals. In the days where back passes to the keeper were legitimate it was a lot of shadow boxing. We played like a team playing with five defenders and Liverpool played like a team that as you rightly state didn’t need to win.

Even at 1-0 down they never tried to put significant pressure on us and played more like they were defending a 1-0 lead (which I suppose in a roundabout way they were).


Well I think Hillsborough happening only four years after Heysel probably didn’t help Liverpool fans much (in terms of public perception). But frankly UEFA never took its share of blame for giving the match to a stadium that wasn’t fit for purpose to begin with (I think both Liverpool and Juventus fans were chucking bits of the stadium at each other).

Similarly Hillsborough wasn’t fit for purpose, a non fatal crush had happened in the same semi final fixture the year before. The main problem was the police wanted Liverpool fans penned in to one area where they could control them so despite the fact that they had far more travelling support than Forest they were kept in the Leppings lane end where as the Forest fans were spread out.

Putting a matchday commander in charge who had never been a matchday commander before, and had only visited Hillsborough the morning of the match certainly didn’t help. The irony is Duckenfeld caused the crush in order to prevent a crush outside the ground where fans were caught in a bottleneck. But if he knew the ground well enough, he would have closed off one gate and forced the fans to go down the side pen into the less populated areas of the ground.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I just assume everyone in this place is older than me :lol:

There is the emotional significance of Hillsborough and what it would surely have meant for fans to cement the title on the last day for the dead fans and to stick it in the eye of a largely unsympathetic establishment. I do find it depressing that some of the narrative about Liverpool fans being responsible for their own deaths still lingers despite the evidence pointing the blame where it firmly belongs, South Yorkshire Police.

But what Liverpool had won before hand and have won since, probably relegates this day into having less significance to them than it has for Arsenal fans

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I just assume everyone is Letters tbh. Me as well.

I think obviously we were gutted not to win it, but I think us having the cup final against Everton was such a cathartic event it somewhat softened the blow.

I do find it interesting that Thomas went on to have an equally-long career with us (and even scored in a cup final win) that he is still actually held in very high regard with us. Even more interesting is finding out who scored the opening goal in 89 :lol:

It's World Cup Qualifiers so I'll start a thread for this I think.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15x...ibextid=wwXIfr

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Originally Posted by Letters

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15x...ibextid=wwXIfr

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Sorta, though i fucking hate mcdonalds - shit company, shit food - haven't been there in over forty years

Also that woman laughing... calm DOWN dear... :rolleyes:

Sigh.
They’re both terrible imo, but the joke is the trolling, not the accuracy of the chant :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Letters

Sigh.
They’re both terrible imo, but the joke is the trolling, not the accuracy of the chant :rolleyes:

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My mate swears blind he went into a KFC and they’d literally run out of chicken. The one thing you’d actually go there for.

https://youtu.be/kI6ioPSKUgQ?si=WKxU7-s_nViCeFgY