ok then, mr jokey....joke maker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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ok then, mr jokey....joke maker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Grimaldi
It would because it shows he wasn't that interested in the playing staff being improved upon, especially Citeh, given they haven't actually bought anyone else yet. We know he would have a better chance going to those clubs already - that's why the rest of it wasn't needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Who said he wants to go to City? Also, he doesn't specifically mention the playing staff being improved in his statement either. I'm not naive enough to believe that it didn't pop up on the agenda, but a number of things could have been discussed in that meeting. Player departures as well as arrivals, training sessions, new coaches....heck, for all we know, Wenger's future as coach could have been discussed. If he's not here in two years time, then why commit to a new deal? That one could be far fetched but we don't know. Was just thinking back to Henry's departure and his 'excuses' for leaving. It can be a combination of problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Anyway, back to the statement. What else was so outrageous in this statement? What wasn't necessary?
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This is an update for the fans about my current situation. I have kept quiet all this time out of respect and loyalty for the club and as agreed with Mr. Gazidis and Mr. Wenger, but since there is so much speculation in the media, I think it is fair for you guys to know what’s really going on at the moment.
As announced earlier this year I had a meeting with the Boss and Mr. Gazidis after the season. This was a meeting about the club’s future strategy and their policy. Financial terms or a contract have not been discussed, since that is not my priority at all.
I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days. Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans I don’t want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward.
I’ve thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract. You guys, the fans, have of course the right to disagree with my view and decision and I will always respect your opinions.
I love the club and the fans, no matter what happens. I have grown up and became a man during my time with Arsenal FC. Everybody at the club and the fans have always supported me over the years and I have always given my all (and more) on and off the pitch. I am very proud of being part of this fantastic club for the last 8 years. As soon as Mr. Gazidis is back from his 2-week holiday in America further meetings will follow and I will update you if and when there are more developments.
Robin van Persie
I'm responding to you saying 'if he goes to Man Utd, City or Juve'. :blink:
It could've been a root and branch discussion but given you wanted to point out what is most likely or logical surely, it's mainly going to be about players? I mean, it's the simplest way of making sure a player is content with staying at an 'ambitious' club, combined with a much improved contract, of course.
And I thought I had already said why I don't like his statement.
What do you mean by that? Are you talking about his statement? What part wasn't needed or disrespectful?Quote:
We know he would have a better chance going to those clubs already - that's why the rest of it wasn't needed.
As for City, they have a strong enough squad to challenge without adding more to the squad. I don't think he wants to sign for City but the clubs been flirting with them in order to get the fee higher. But that's another story.
I mean the future strategy, with the hidden suggestion about players. Fine privately, to mention it publically though after we've signed players? Not exactly a ringing endorsement of what we had already done and thus I find that part disrespectful, to Podolski and Giroud more than anyone else.
That's reaching a bit. He doesn't go into specifics and as said before, 'future strategy' could come under ownership issues, training methods, change in management, coaching staff...as well playing staff. He hasn't openly criticised our transfers and has been vague for a reason. If you want to see disrespect compare and contrast captain Vieira. Look at what Henry has said before leaving and the things he's revealed. I disagree and think people are blowing things way out of proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Yet if you consider the previous Van Persie issues with our direction, that was supposedly about players too and like you indicated before - if that was the case then, it'll surely be the case now. He has been vague for a reason because he has probably been advised that way - people will be less likely to see through it and won't have that much enmity for him, that does not preclude us from being able to look at it in more detail.
I can't bring myself to care what Vieira said, at least not enough for a big debate about it in this thread, he didn't come out and say 'whatever happens, I love this club'. Plus, that was over 11 years ago and he's not an employee for Arsenal anymore.
Yes, he's being vague for a reason because he knows if he says anything specific the vultures will swarm and pick it apart. I don't think he's been disrespectful at all. He could have said more as Usmanov did with that letter. In the past, I believe he said 'sporting ambition'. But I'm no fool, he must take issue with our transfer policy but who hasn't had a problem with it besides the Board and Wenger? And so what if he has been advised to be vague? Would you have preferred he air everything out in public and give a full account of the meeting and his frustration?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
The other option would be for him to keep quiet and let speculation rip all summer about will he won't he sign. We've been there with other players and I remember fans growing even more frustrated practically pleading for the player to make a statement to say what's what. The treat us like 'grown up' argument. I remember the slack Cesc got for staying quiet while his Barca friends and family spoke and people were saying he should 'man up' and talk for himself. Well, RVP has done that and people are still pissed. Not matter the situation, the only outcome fans would welcome is RVP signing a new deal and nothing else. With or without the statement, if he leaves, he'd get slated. It's what most fans do.
Yeah I would've preferred that, it's much preferred to someone professing love for the club. And then they leave anyway. Having said that, it wouldn't be particularly helpful for the club but...I don't think this was either.
You keep going back to what the majority of fans say, what the majority of fans have said but you're talking to me! I didn't have a huge problem with how Cesc did it - it's entirely feasible he arranged for clubmates to speak out on his behalf for sure but he got his move without needing to speak out against the club and speak out in a way that might dissuade anybody else to come in the future (thankfully it seems like that won't be the case, even after RVP saying what he said).
That's a very childish outlook and why RVP was wrong to presume fans could handle his statement. It's like having to sit a child down and explain why his parents are getting divorced. After 8 years at the club and supporting us as a kid, I don't doubt RVP's love for the club but shit happens.Quote:
Yeah I would've preferred that, it's much preferred to someone professing love for the club. And then they leave anyway. Having said that, it wouldn't be particularly helpful for the club but...I don't think this was either.
Regardless of your stance, it's still relevant and this is an open forum, so what may not apply to you, is relevant for other readers. Also, I get the impression that RVP is aware of fans reactions and may have been slightly influenced by what he's seen and heard in the past. This idea about players being disconnected from the fans and players needing to do more to interact with fans...:lol: Personal statements on websites and Twitter accounts....not a good idea. I hope players in the future rethink before they make some misguided attempt to communicate and connect with fans. It's not wise.Quote:
You keep going back to what the majority of fans say, what the majority of fans have said but you're talking to me! I didn't have a huge problem with how Cesc did it -
RVP hasn't hindered any movements with his statement either. He's kept it vague and just said he disagrees with the direction we're going in. Has his statement hindered the Cazorla move? Doesn't look like it. Poldoski signed even though he knew RVP's contract talks were stalling and we had just lost Cesc, Nasri and Clichy. Clichy and Nasri were blatant with their parting shots but that didn't stop us from signing Arteta, Merts, Santos and all the rest. The situation has been blown out of proportion and imo you're clutching at straws.
It's not a childish view at all because a child wouldn't be analysing what they have said to see what you think they really mean. Saying stuff like 'I love the club' are just words, the context I'm placing it in, for me shows those words to not really mean a thing. It's more childish to say words without much meaning behind them, just like a kid would say: I hate you etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Yeah it's an open forum but you have criticised Letters for condensing your posts to a one line reply so if you're saying something to me that holds no relevance, I'm just going to be leaving huge chunks of your post out!
I've already said, thankfully he hasn't hindered anything. That does not mean it couldn't have - if somebody does criticise the ambition of the club it can hold resonance, however I can recognise, Arsenal, the club, the football we play (or are at least considered to play) and Wenger all still hold enough sway. It would've been better had he said something like: Arsenal are still a great club and a potentially great move for any player but after eight years I feel the time is right to try something new.
You can bet some players will choose Citeh or Chelsea ahead of us, players that we are after (like Mata) so I don't really see how it is clutching at straws when as a supporter you surely want the best possible scenario for your club, RVP talking about a conflict of views on going forward is not the best way to help bring those players in you apparently want for the team.
We're fortunate on Cazorla because of Malaga's situation but I am very pleased that's the case.
Is that not enough? Is not as if he shitted all over us with that statement. And believe, if a player is going to choose Chelsea or City over us, it has nothing to do with RVP's statement. The fact that we haven't won a single trophy in 7 years, our wage structure, our transfer policy and this rep for lacking ambition, which precedes Van Persie and his statement are the stumbling blocks. As a supporter, I realise that we will have the same problem with future players if we don't address these problems which is why I've gone past the point of blasting certain players. This is a mere symptom of our problems and there is little point in focussing all our energies on it.Quote:
I am very proud of being part of this fantastic club for the last 8 years.
No it isn't because he still said what I don't like. And to say it will have nothing to do with it is a little bit misguided: it's coming from a high profile player highlighting (re-highlighting) a high profile problem, the guy who supposedly loves the club. All of these things play a part because you can bet the agents will note it when trying to get their player to the best possible club for the biggest amount of money and I mean that just for themselves, not even for the player they represent.
I think this is more to do with Fergie knowing he needs to take things a little bit slower than he had been - he recently said he needs to do less travelling now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Did you not see the part I wrote about us not winning anything for 7 years or the fact that other players have been more blatant about our lack of ambition? Do you think our wage structure is a secret? Hasn't Board members and our coach even said we can't compete with clubs like City and Chelsea financially? Wouldn't those things be a more crucial sticking point for when a player weighs up moving to Arsenal or Chelsea?
I did. I don't know how to reconcile it with what I think though, I mean those other guys are not longer part of the club, they have less of a responsibilty to be cautious - I'd rather they didn't say the oft-repated things but it's not going to be at the forefront of their minds anymore to think 'hold on, I'm an employee, hope I know what I am doing'.
And yes board members have said things I don't like. And Wenger has said things I don't like - the statement about saying you cannot be ambitious if you sell two of your best players was stupid but I'm not going to mention it as a defence for every player I take issue with, there's just no need to. Also, I know all that contributes, that's why regarding Van Persie I said it plays a part - I didn't indicate it was the full problem because I know that it isn't. It is the current and most relevant problem though.
It's just a symptom of the problems we face. Players are always going to leave and right now, Theo still hasn't signed a new deal and there is a lot of noise about Song leaving. These guys might not be so diplomatic when their frustrations boil over. We have a host of players that have aired dirty laundry while still playing for us and it will continue to happen unless Wenger and the Board start making serious changes. I hope the message has finally got through to them this summer.
I think they'll both stay, might only be for a year but then, this season is of the only importance currently. Both qualify as homegrown, so if only for that reason.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-training.html
What a great article.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Too ashamed to even put a name to it :lol:Quote:
By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER
http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files...jpg?ic=91352fT
Don't smile RVP, it ruins the article!
Hope Diaby breaks that smirk off his face.
Diaby couldnt break wind without having to be X-ray`d after it. He coulnt even break John Terrys jaw with his boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
he broke nasri though :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
A few people on twitter are saying he's left the training camp and is on his way to utd.
Surely that would assume they've agreed a fee etc.
Why do Utd even want him, they have Rooney, Wellbeck, Hernandez and Berbatov....hardly struggling for strikers. I know RvP is an upgrade, but only if he isn't injured. Seems a bit strange to block Wellbecks progress.
yer, seen similar reports but didnt think anything of it tbh. really wished we wouldnt let him go to one of the manc clubs! still, it is twitter after all so will wait to see if theres anything in it
Part of me would like him to stay, but if he is intent on leaving then its better to fuck him off ASAP and start sorting out his replacement.
It's already dragged on too long as it is.
He is still in Germany I think. It'd be good to get this sorted either way now though.
wellbeck :lol:
Wellshit :lol:
My Manc friend doesn't really see how RVP would fit in at United, given Rooney is the main guy and Fergie loves Welbeck and Hernandez. He reckons Fergie might get him just because he's under pressure to bring in a marquee player.
Already all done according to this twitter image along with Moura and BainesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
https://p.twimg.com/AzyOdjhCEAEp7-J.jpg
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Do people actually believe this shit? Glad I'm not on twitter :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Wenger sells our stars but not to Man United...I'd be really surprised if this happens......
Meh, they dont really say too much. Usual bollocks.
RVP is trending worldwide on twitter now.
Mood is United have upped their offer to £20m and have been granted permission now to speak with him.