Arshavin

Stuff him into a brown envelope and 'Arry will take him off our hands.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Stuff him into a brown envelope and 'Arry will take him off our hands.

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That'll move the brown envelope business out of recession

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

Wenger is blatantly to blame...who recall's playing Diaby on the wing, Song as CB etc....even Nasri was wasted on the right, when Cesc was injured and Narsi came into the middle last season he was magical, but as soon as Cesc is fit Nasri is pushed out wide and his form dropped in line with ours.

These are not co-incidences but they are down to Wenger forgetting that football comes first not all this science data bullshit, everyone does that crap now, why not go back to judging a footballer on what he does best.

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Rubbish, where did you expect daiby and song to play while fab and nas were in the middle for us. Nasri could play on the left so don't see the problem with it tbh. But while cesc was around it did not make sense to play in the middle.

as for song at CB most of here thought he was a CB at some point its only recently he has improved alot as a dm tbh don't see what choice aw had with him.

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

i see alot of contradiction on this board...wont call out names, however the same people saying Asharvin is shiit fullstop also in other threads seem to questions why Wenger does not play players in their best position.

when Asharvin arrived, he thrived on the left...this was in a 442, so he midfield could offer better cover to him, and he was a revelation when the two upfront strikers created the space for him to exploit.

in this complete nonsense, psuysdo 433 that we play, the guy is massively exposed, he cannot do what he does best and that is cause devastation in the final third...his confidence is completely shot and he must hate going onto the pitch.

Wenger should have got the guy in tip top condition, played him in the centre or off RVP for at least 5-10 games and then seen what he could do.

I agree his form dipped after Russia did not qualify for the world cup however it was up to his coach to get the best back out of him, not keep on sticking him in a postion where he clearly suffers.

I made this comparison before, how effective would Dennis Bergkamp have been on the left in this useless psuedo 433, thats a valid question.

Wenger is blatantly to blame...who recall's playing Diaby on the wing, Song as CB etc....even Nasri was wasted on the right, when Cesc was injured and Narsi came into the middle last season he was magical, but as soon as Cesc is fit Nasri is pushed out wide and his form dropped in line with ours.

These are not co-incidences but they are down to Wenger forgetting that football comes first not all this science data bullshit, everyone does that crap now, why not go back to judging a footballer on what he does best.

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Arshavin is having a mid-life crisis tbh.

I bet he has a terrible relationship with his father.

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't get the 'out of position' thing. Maybe he's not playing in his ideal position, but that doesn't give you licence to play like a retard. If I'm remembering right, he was playing on the left when he was destroying teams to get us in the top 4. But in either case, no matter where you are on the pitch, I think if you fancy yourself as a showboating poncy twat, you can skip past players whether you're in defence or midfield or attack, on the left, centre or right. He used to be able to beat a couple of players with ease and find a great ball. Now nevermind about beating players, he can't even make simple 10 yard passes without it being intercepted half the time.

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When a players confidence is rock bottom you start seeing odd things. Remember how Sol Cambell would go to pieces when his confidence took a knock? Or Eduardo's last season for us. Torres...it can happen.

The funny thing is, Wenger knows Arshavin goes for high risk passes that's why his assist ratio is so good. He was saying the other day that Theo's end product was suffering because he's doing so much defensive work and getting to the final third and he's knackered. That could be true, could be a factor but Theo can't cross anyway, but if he says that about Theo then how true is that for Arshavin? Also, he may have good technical skills and can dribble but je's not the sort of guy that should be on the wing running at defenders. Take Nasri as an example. The ball would stick to his feet but he's not the sort of winger that scares defenders. Same can be said for Arsh.

Also, when playing the 4-4-2, he was lazy and would never drop back. He's making an effort to do that now, but as seen against Man U, that isn't what he's good at and asking him to curb his attacking play just isn't helping us. If we're not going to use him properly then it's best we keep him out of th team. Playing him on the flank is as bad as playing Djourou as right back.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Rubbish, where did you expect daiby and song to play while fab and nas were in the middle for us. Nasri could play on the left so don't see the problem with it tbh. But while cesc was around it did not make sense to play in the middle.

as for song at CB most of here thought he was a CB at some point its only recently he has improved alot as a dm tbh don't see what choice aw had with him.

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ffs open your eyes mate.

What you do with Diaby and Song at that time is sell/loan the fcukers and bring in players who can do a world class job where it was needed. Why the fcuk are we playing Song at CB or Diaby on the wing just so Fab and Nas were there...how about having Fab and Nas there and having a proper winger? Not rocket science.

Who can forget the Asharvin up front disaster a few seasons back...what did he score one goal? Or the Djourou at right back this season....get a loan signing from the championship if you have to!!!

People really need to open their eyes...unbelivable

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

When a players confidence is rock bottom you start seeing odd things. Remember how Sol Cambell would go to pieces when his confidence took a knock? Or Eduardo's last season for us. Torres...it can happen.

The funny thing is, Wenger knows Arshavin goes for high risk passes that's why his assist ratio is so good. He was saying the other day that Theo's end product was suffering because he's doing so much defensive work and getting to the final third and he's knackered. That could be true, could be a factor but Theo can't cross anyway, but if he says that about Theo then how true is that for Arshavin? Also, he may have good technical skills and can dribble but je's not the sort of guy that should be on the wing running at defenders. Take Nasri as an example. The ball would stick to his feet but he's not the sort of winger that scares defenders. Same can be said for Arsh.

Also, when playing the 4-4-2, he was lazy and would never drop back. He's making an effort to do that now, but as seen against Man U, that isn't what he's good at and asking him to curb his attacking play just isn't helping us. If we're not going to use him properly then it's best we keep him out of th team. Playing him on the flank is as bad as playing Djourou as right back.

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You're right. It's probably not as clear cut as I'm trying to make out. But I just don't believe it's about confidence with Arshavin. I reckon he knows he's good. I reckon he knows he's one of the best around. He has been quiet recently but back when he was a hero, he used to get interviewed a lot and he used to say things that Joe Pubteamer doesn't. He is very intelligent. IMO he's far too intelligent to lose perspective and continue playing shit because he's 'low on confidence'. His mentality isn't a problem. But I think the thrill of 'being a hero' is gone for him now and it's not worth his effort to focus on getting back to his best. I don't think he's unhappy with his role right now.

Torres? Yeah, he's probably a fanny.

I know there are plenty of examples of very talented players starting to play bad due to an injury or lack of confidence - maybe even, as you say, mismanagement. Maybe Wenger hasn't dealt with Arshavin as well as he should have. I don't doubt that. But I just can't believe that a player of Arshavin's ability can consistently misplace simple 10 yard passes without a serious lack of self-focus. At a certain stage, as a grown man of 30 years old, you have to enough pride to decide that your performances are embarrassing and it's time to improve. If Arshavin decided to improve and focus, I reckon he could turn it around. But football, now, is just a job for him and he's getting paid the same regardless.

I think Wenger hasn't managed some players well. Despite most Arsenal fans disagreeing with it, I think Walcott has good technical ability. Not on Oxlade's level but Theo can take a 50 yard pass under pressure better than most. And from the way he strikes the ball, you can tell he has good technique. But he has been held back a bit. He has been allowed to keep passing in-field instead of being told to take people on. When he came here at 17, he could take players on. I don't think I was imagining that. He could beat players. But after a few years without practice, now he can't. Anyway, forget Theo - about Andrey Depreshavin™ (Depression? Could it catch on?) he has to take the blame IMO - not Arsene.

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

ffs open your eyes mate.

What you do with Diaby and Song at that time is sell/loan the fcukers and bring in players who can do a world class job where it was needed. Why the fcuk are we playing Song at CB or Diaby on the wing just so Fab and Nas were there...how about having Fab and Nas there and having a proper winger? Not rocket science.

Who can forget the Asharvin up front disaster a few seasons back...what did he score one goal? Or the Djourou at right back this season....get a loan signing from the championship if you have to!!!

People really need to open their eyes...unbelivable

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Did i say AW never made mistakes so stop puting words in my mouth please. So because AA was played out of place that gives him an excuse to behave like an ass.

yes wenger plays people in the wrong posistion but it up to them to make sure they get played in the right posistion.

Our play was never about width so why would we go and buy a winger in a 433. it was pass pas did not need a winger for that did we, nas and cesc in the middle were fine. Song was poor in those days and diaby was always injured so how could he play in the middle.