Right.
But we need a manager who can take us to the next level. That's not Moyes.
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Right.
But we need a manager who can take us to the next level. That's not Moyes.
Based on him working off a shoestring budget at a club that is currently going neck and neck with us? Sure Moyes isn't glamorous but he sure knows how to organise a team. I'm not for one minute advocating that I want Moyes here because I think there are better candidates out there but I do rate Moyes above Wenger tactically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Moyes appears to get every last drip of talent out of his team, Wenger doesn't and hasn't for a good few years IMHO.
i was also against the idea of moyes at first but im warming to him.
looking at it rationally, his players:
1. work hard for him
2. he motivates them
3. he organises the team well
the 3 things we're missing right now is players working hard for the manager, the manager motivating them, and thirdly, the manager organising that bloody defence.
so rational thought would suggest that it would be a good fit. over the past few years the accusation has been that his teams are a bit boring and stubborn when it comes to attacking but this season they've turned it up in terms of flair. some of their passing has been top notch and we've seen a culture change take place at goodison. they knock it about more often.
plus i read an article the other day regarding everton's finances and moyes has literally worked a miracle with a stupidly low budget. he literally has no money whatsoever every year yet still manages to get them near the top of the table every season. thats a sign of a good manager.
to do it for 2 or 3 seasons would suggest its luck or just a wave of fortune but to do it constantly for nearly a decade shows he's a bloody good manager.
give the guy bigger resources, better players and a bigger platform to perform on and im sure he'll do well. and wouldnt it be nice to pick up the newspaper and see something nice written about us for once? the press would like us and that would be weird.
whatever the outcome i dont care, just stick a fork in wenger- he's done.
You lot insult a Legend by bringing up a novice (Moyes) by comparison who might I add was also embarrassed by a crap team this past weekend. I think you lot suffer from the same mental malaise that the team suffers from and are just looking for Wengers head after tireless french baiting by English journalist. If Arsene must go and we are too big to not have won trophies, why then would you lot settle for a man with no pedigree? Which players do you imagine Moyes would be able to attract to Arsenal? Even if they will come because its the Arsenal, the fact that you have chosen him because he would be able to work on a shoe string budget suggest there in lies the underlying cause of our decline and not the manager. You are allowed your opinions as I am but you cant discredit what the man has achieved. If Moyes was that good he should have taken Everton up a notch after all as someone pointed out Everton finished above Arsenal in 1996. I don't mean to be dissing Moyes as I do believe he his a good manager but he is certainly not one for a great club like ours.
Wenget is stale because he's still living off the glory which happened nearly 10, yes 10 years ago! He hasn't adapted at all and his methods and outlook are no different to what they were back then. In his mind he doesn't have anything to prove which is why you get spikey responses from him if that's called into question.
I'm beyond the point of caring now, I'd be happy to give anyone with something to prove a chance, if that means Moyes or another potentially great young manager without a trophy laden CV then so be it. Sometimes everyone just needs a big break and I believe with the set up we have here we offer that opportunity.
Of course I'd rather go for someone who's achieved tangible success but Klopp for example is going to be highly sought after when he calls it a day at Dortmund, would we push the boat out for him? When the time comes for a new manager I don't think we'll behave any differently to what we do in the transfer market. We'll look closer to home and I fully expect we'll get that Serbian mini-Wenget.
i'd have no problem with moyes. at the very least the team would be fucking motivated before they get onto the pitch and know exactly what it means to earn their pay packets.
in many ways it fits what moyes is looking for and what the board want and it would mean that we could at least have some pride back in watching our team every week.
There are a fair few managers out there who could do a much better job than Wenger is doing right now. This team IMO is only achieving about 70% of what it could under this manager. More motivation, better training and tactics would yield a team that would be a lot closer than 21 points behind the log leaders and this is a perennial gap that only seems to get wider year on year. Laudrup, Simeone, Martinez, Moyes would all be a great improvement on Wenger. Reputations are not the only requirement for a new Manager, simple competence and desire to succeed, something that the current manager sorely lacks.
I just want someone I can believe in and get behind. I hate how we can all pretty much call what will happen every season, it totally saps the enjoyment for me.
This is how low we have fallen. Moyes? Although I can see why the bastards would want him, he'd be prepared to sit there and do what so many on here slate Wenger for - put up with mediocrity. That's Moye's forte, he's been doing it for years. Nobody else has come in for him in all that time but now it looks like his deeply uninspiring talents may finally have been recognised and he could be moving up the mediocrity scale. I'd rather drop to 8th and fight back with an unknown manager than cement 4th spot for the next decade. Or put another way, if the board wants him then I don't.
Forget about names for a second. My point here is that it's not about disrepecting Wenger and calling Manager X Y or Z better, this thread for me is about debating the flaws with our current manager and essentially saying now is the time to change things.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12gaugepump
For me, it's got to the point now where Trophies aren't even in question, it's about calling out where Wenger is going wrong. He's making a lot of mistakes and they are plain for all to see. Where do we start? Wenger has built a squad where a quarter of the players in it are surplus to requirements but are taking home pretty big wages, he can't shift these players, nobody wants to touch them. His player recruitment policy is and has been extremely questionable for quite a while, the teams lack of focus and mental strength, the repeated mistakes, weak defence with lack of organisation. His self imposed policies such as the "wage structure", "over 30's" policy, he's implemented a lot of flawed policies IMHO.
Others have stated this, sure I would love a established manager who has won trophies all over to take over from Arsene but we have to be pretty realistic about Arsene's successor.
For me Arsene is not doing enough and certainly not using his resources wisely.