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31-03-2016, 04:13 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Our revenues improved year on year the moment we opened the stadium. If your net income increases, how have you been harmed?. Do check yourself cos its true.

If a new bigger stadium is such a bad thing, why are other clubs rushing to do the same now.#thinkabout it.

Revenue only counts what comes into the club it does not factor in the money coming out of the club paying back for the stadiums construction.

But like I say all you have to do is see how Spurs spending is affected and make your mind up based on that
31-03-2016, 04:17 PM
Letters

It will affect them but luckily for Spurs they're no in an era where players are changing hands for silly money.
Bale was what, £80m? That's a pretty large chunk of a stadium move right there. And the new TV deal will soften the blow for them too.
The stadium move was vital long term but caused some belt tightening short term.
31-03-2016, 04:39 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

That Bale money was almost exclusively spent on new signings, I doubt there is a lot of it left.

What works in their favour is that they are building a new stadium on the site of their current site (which we couldn't do) and apart from the construction costs they only have had to pay for the compulsory purchase orders to expand on WHL

Presumably therefore there won't be the "mortgage" of sorts that we had to take out.

They also won't be able to sell their own ground as luxury flats but that didn't go so well for us either
31-03-2016, 04:54 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Jonathan Wilson with a bizarre article that contradicts itself at every turn.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...hs-tv-billions

He actually uses Leicester as a comparison without realising the comparison blows his argument to shreds. Then he tells us being very rich is less of an advantage when everyone is rich. Well we were never paupers, were we?

These tired old excuses need to be retired.

I think the TV revenue money will play a part and the smaller clubs will benefit but I wouldn't argue we're seeing a huge influence from the new money right now. It certainly can't be used to explain their league position. They haven't been splashing money on World class players so it is a bit of a contradiction. I think it just boils down to better management. I'd say we're seeing better managers in the league and the standard has risen. Also, Wenger quite often gets out thought by certain lower league managers each season.

We've seen Spurs, Liverpool and even Chelsea under Ranieri and other odd seasons outspend us but we've come above them. Quality of the manager and players can't be discounted and we really shouldn't get carried away with what's happening this year. It's been an exceptionally bad season for all of the previous Prem champions and it mostly boils down to poor man management.
31-03-2016, 05:55 PM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Letters

Because he's met his bosses targets. :shrug:

And yes, he's not under the level of pressure that a Chelsea manager would be but that club is a joke, I wouldn't want any Arsenal manager to be under that level of pressure.

He was a safe pair of hands during the stadium move, he deserved a chance to try and push us on when the new money became available - you clearly thought so too, you were happy he signed a new contract after the first FA Cup. Retaining the trophy arguably bought him another season to push for bigger prizes. He's failed to so yes, he needs to go, but that doesn't mean it's been 10 years of abject failure. And if you think the last 2 years have been ones of failure then I'd suggest that level of expectation comes pretty much entirely from Wenger's first half of his time with us.

Its not just Chelsea, all top "competitive" clubs put pressure on their managers to deliver, even the Spuds were sacking managers who weren't achieving top 4. Wenger is in a unique position, he's pretty much unsackable and works under little to no pressure in comparison to his rivals. Money or no money he's failing, like NQ has said I don't even know how that can be disputed.

Wenger should have delivered more trophies over the past 10 years, he's built some pretty decent teams to be fair. Despite that the same old flaws have resurfaced season after season, he should have been given the boot a while ago IMO.
31-03-2016, 06:04 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

There is no doubt that Wenger does often get tactically out thought but there is also no question that money is the bigger contributor for league titles.

Man City have won the title with two incredibly average managers, Mourinho who is lauded as a genius as successful as he is isn't multi faceted with his tactics he just follows the philosophy against competitors that the less you have the ball the less likely you are to make a mistake.

Wenger has even adopted this measure at times with mixed success, but Mourinho has at Chelsea benefited from big spending and having good players as a result of expenditure from predecessors.

This season is an outlier in terms of spending not bringing success in the league, do I think if we spent more Wenger would necessarily do much better....possibly not.

But as far as I'm concerned as fed up as we are of Wenger, he'd have won the title with Man City in 2012 and in 2014 and probably more than that, not because he's a great manager but comparatively he is better than Mancini and Pellegrini.
31-03-2016, 06:33 PM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

There is no doubt that Wenger does often get tactically out thought but there is also no question that money is the bigger contributor for league titles.

Man City have won the title with two incredibly average managers, Mourinho who is lauded as a genius as successful as he is isn't multi faceted with his tactics he just follows the philosophy against competitors that the less you have the ball the less likely you are to make a mistake.

Wenger has even adopted this measure at times with mixed success, but Mourinho has at Chelsea benefited from big spending and having good players as a result of expenditure from predecessors.

This season is an outlier in terms of spending not bringing success in the league, do I think if we spent more Wenger would necessarily do much better....possibly not.

But as far as I'm concerned as fed up as we are of Wenger, he'd have won the title with Man City in 2012 and in 2014 and probably more than that, not because he's a great manager but comparatively he is better than Mancini and Pellegrini.

That's debatable, not the bit about Wenger being a better manager because I agree, the bit about whether he would have won the title at City in 2012 and 2014. Wenger is quite a complexed manager, he's not a standard type that will play players in their favoured positions, it's one of his quirks and in some ways is why his Arsenal teams go from the sublime to the ridiculous.

I'm not doubting that Money isn't a contributor to success, what I am doubting is that Wenger has money and quite clearly isn't spending it correctly or in our case this season not at all. Not only that but he's not correctly utilising what is quite clearly a talented squad of players.

The only handicaps Wenger has are ones he places on himself, he's not disadvantaged.
31-03-2016, 06:42 PM
Globalgunner

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Revenue only counts what comes into the club it does not factor in the money coming out of the club paying back for the stadiums construction.

But like I say all you have to do is see how Spurs spending is affected and make your mind up based on that

How can I make up my mind on something that has yet to happen. Rather look at what has already happened.

http://arsenaltrust.org/resources/do...mmentoct07.pdf

If you read that report for the year we moved into the Emirates. Yes our football related profit dropped by £4.2m but stll a profit. Not a loss. That sum is about than we were paying Diaby and Almunia. So basically money that we could afford to waste.
It is also pertinent to note that the report states that we had a cash balance of 73m out of which 45m was not available to spend. Also getting knocked out of the CL in the 1st round left us £10m short compared to the previous year when we reached the final

So never been broke, not even then. Just been buying mostly crap and playing crap players for years. Almunia FFS!. How do you expect to win anything with a joke of a keeper like that

Just picked this gem off another blog
Q. If Wenger was a superhero who would he be?
A. Supertightwad
31-03-2016, 07:11 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by selassie

That's debatable, not the bit about Wenger being a better manager because I agree, the bit about whether he would have won the title at City in 2012 and 2014. Wenger is quite a complexed manager, he's not a standard type that will play players in their favoured positions, it's one of his quirks and in some ways is why his Arsenal teams go from the sublime to the ridiculous.

I'm not doubting that Money isn't a contributor to success, what I am doubting is that Wenger has money and quite clearly isn't spending it correctly or in our case this season not at all. Not only that but he's not correctly utilising what is quite clearly a talented squad of players.

The only handicaps Wenger has are ones he places on himself, he's not disadvantaged.

It's very debatable. I can't see Wenger handling all those egos. Besides that, Utd were hot on City's heels and the other season City won they had Liverpool and Chelsea close on their heels. We're currently 11 points behind Leicester City and we have World Cup winners, Champions League winners, experienced International's running through the club. In theory we have the better manager and players along with the revenue but lo and behold. ;) Cards couldn't have fallen any better for us this season. It makes no sense to assume we'd have done better with City's money in any other season.
31-03-2016, 08:44 PM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

How can I make up my mind on something that has yet to happen. Rather look at what has already happened.

http://arsenaltrust.org/resources/do...mmentoct07.pdf

If you read that report for the year we moved into the Emirates. Yes our football related profit dropped by £4.2m but stll a profit. Not a loss. That sum is about than we were paying Diaby and Almunia. So basically money that we could afford to waste.
It is also pertinent to note that the report states that we had a cash balance of 73m out of which 45m was not available to spend. Also getting knocked out of the CL in the 1st round left us £10m short compared to the previous year when we reached the final

So never been broke, not even then. Just been buying mostly crap and playing crap players for years. Almunia FFS!. How do you expect to win anything with a joke of a keeper like that

Just picked this gem off another blog
Q. If Wenger was a superhero who would he be?
A. Supertightwad

I wasn't trying to suggest you should make up your mind right now

In my student days used to watch Adult Swim and a cartoon called Stripperella, and one of her nemesis' was a villain called Cheapo who in one of his bank raids makes his henchmen drive around looking for a place to park that didn't have a parking meter.

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