Wenger Out?...Seriously.

Thought his post-match interview was very telling today. He is a broken man. He didn't even look to blame the offside Yak goal or the fact Robinson pretty much took out Walcott at the end. I actually feel a little sorry for him. He is probably only now seeing the error of his stubborn ways and now he is stuck with players like Koscielny who just seems to make error after error. Thankfully Squillacci is no where near the first team but what a waste of money those two were. The team looks totally disjointed and with Wilshere and Vermaelen out for the long term - we are pretty much without the 2 most natural leaders at the club. Gervinho and Arteta look like the only 2 quality additions - but Arteta looked forlorn at the 2nd own goal and Gervinho already feels duped with the loss of Cesc and Nasri. I think this might well be Arsene's final season if we fail to finish 4th or win anything - but there is no way we should get rid of him mid season. What would be useful is bringing in a.....wait for it....defensive coach.

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Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10

Thought his post-match interview was very telling today. He is a broken man. He didn't even look to blame the offside Yak goal or the fact Robinson pretty much took out Walcott at the end. I actually feel a little sorry for him. He is probably only now seeing the error of his stubborn ways and now he is stuck with players like Koscielny who just seems to make error after error. Thankfully Squillacci is no where near the first team but what a waste of money those two were. The team looks totally disjointed and with Wilshere and Vermaelen out for the long term - we are pretty much without the 2 most natural leaders at the club. Gervinho and Arteta look like the only 2 quality additions - but Arteta looked forlorn at the 2nd own goal and Gervinho already feels duped with the loss of Cesc and Nasri. I think this might well be Arsene's final season if we fail to finish 4th or win anything - but there is no way we should get rid of him mid season. What would be useful is bringing in a.....wait for it....defensive coach.

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Spot on girl

I'd like him to go now. It would provide time for a new Manager to turn things around, see if he can get more out of the existing squad and where he can't, make the required changes in the January transfer window.

Wenger only has himself to blame. We all knew we needed a confident defender with Prem experience but he refused to bring one in. It's early days for Merts but he's confidence will be shot to pieces if he keeps playing under Wenger. He keeps making the same stupid mistakes. You just don't know how a foreign player will adapt to the Prem and especially when he's expecte to organise the team and be the leader.

The board have backed him and we can't say they re refusing to release the funds because we spent a lot in the transfer window on deadline day and I fully believe that Wenger was prepared to go into the season without Santos, Arteta and co had it not been for the massacre and injuries to TV and JW. That just shows how naive he is. The guy was quick to praise Kosienly after the Dortmund game but developed convenient amnesia over his first half performance. Maybe Pat Rice gave him a bollocking and he pulled his socks up. Wenger was also quick to praise the defence after the Newcastle clean sheet and was acting as if we didn't need new CB's. Even after the massacre he was asked if he was going to buy players and his first reaction was telling. 'you people always think buying is the answer'. He's probably right, they need to start asking him maybe a new coach would help!

He has dug himself into this massive hole and he hasn't got the strength to dig deep and sort it out. He's weak. He's looking like a victim and people are feeling sorry for him. That's when it's time to throw in the towel. Someone has to end this for him because his pride won't allow him to walk. He has 10 more games and if he can't turn it around he needs to be shown the door. The board should be on the phone right now drawing up a list of potential managers. Wenger is done.

I'm not saying the Board arent backing him, but the selling of our two best players and using a little over half the proceeds of them does not provide evidence of Wenger being backed financially by the Board.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Wenger only has himself to blame. We all knew we needed a confident defender with Prem experience but he refused to bring one in. It's early days for Merts but he's confidence will be shot to pieces if he keeps playing under Wenger. He keeps making the same stupid mistakes. You just don't know how a foreign player will adapt to the Prem and especially when he's expecte to organise the team and be the leader.

The board have backed him and we can't say they re refusing to release the funds because we spent a lot in the transfer window on deadline day and I fully believe that Wenger was prepared to go into the season without Santos, Arteta and co had it not been for the massacre and injuries to TV and JW. That just shows how naive he is. The guy was quick to praise Kosienly after the Dortmund game but developed convenient amnesia over his first half performance. Maybe Pat Rice gave him a bollocking and he pulled his socks up. Wenger was also quick to praise the defence after the Newcastle clean sheet and was acting as if we didn't need new CB's. Even after the massacre he was asked if he was going to buy players and his first reaction was telling. 'you people always think buying is the answer'. He's probably right, they need to start asking him maybe a new coach would help!

He has dug himself into this massive hole and he hasn't got the strength to dig deep and sort it out. He's weak. He's looking like a victim and people are feeling sorry for him. That's when it's time to throw in the towel. Someone has to end this for him because his pride won't allow him to walk. He has 10 more games and if he can't turn it around he needs to be shown the door. The board should be on the phone right now drawing up a list of potential managers. Wenger is done.

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Yep, I agree with a lot of this
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I think what we're seeing now is years of under investment from Arsene/Board. We have had pretty major defensive issues for around 3 or 4 seasons but the issues to some degree have been masked by having a small core of outstanding attacking players who have pulled us through.

What we're seeing now is a drop in quality of the first team which means we no longer control games in the way we use to. This is putting more pressure on our defenders who are being exposed for what they are as a unit. As individuals they are all good players, as a unit they suck, I think they suck because Arsene doesn't coach Defence.

I'm being serious here, I cannot for the life of me understand why they do what they are doing in games if they are being coached. There is no rhythm, no understanding & no organisation.

I think this is pretty much it for Arsene, he won't change, he won't spend that extra bit on the quality we need, he won't hire a defensive coach, he won't listen to anybody and accept that this team has major flaws...he just needs to run down his contract and then we start a fresh with somebody new.

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Originally Posted by GB.

I'm not saying the Board arent backing him, but the selling of our two best players and using a little over half the proceeds of them does not provide evidence of Wenger being backed financially by the Board.

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The board should take credit some credit for getting such a huge fee for the Nasri deal. Wenger was prepared to let him walk on a free. Plus he's the one that convinced the Board to sell Cesc for cheap.

Wenger doesn't like to spend big on players and it was the same at Monaco. We spent a lot on deadline day but it was probably impossible to spend it all on deadline day because we left ourselves with little time. Plus, you have to question for the sort of players Wenger wants. Gervinho is decent buy he's not the best winger we could have bought. He's bought 3 CB's over the past 2 seasons and look how it's turned out. He goes for value all the time. He's a bargain bin shopper. The type of guy that would walk into Primark over some luxury designer clothes store to spend £200. That' always been his mentality.

PnG, I don't disagree with your assessment of the type of players Wenger is ultimately wasting money on - poor players are not bargains, but the Board is complicit in this. All the evidence of the past few years points to financial rewards as being the measure of success at this Club. If that were not the case, Wenger would have been gone some time ago.

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Originally Posted by GB.

PnG, I don't disagree with your assessment of the type of players Wenger is ultimately wasting money on - poor players are not bargains, but the Board is complicit in this. All the evidence of the past few years points to financial rewards as being the measure of success at this Club. If that were not the case, Wenger would have been gone some time ago.

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But that was always the case since moving to the Emirates and I'm not going to put them at fault for that. This has always been a long term plan and makes sense that they'd take financial stability over trophies. That makes sense for them. It wouldn't be wise for them to start this project and demand silverware while we're in transition and put pressure on the very man that has made this move possible. Wenger is their golden goose and without him, they wouldn't have been able to consider a move to the Emirates. I understand their caution because they are always looking at the long term.

But Wenger is a football coach up there with the elites and competing for top honours year in year out. Just like the players, he should have a burning desire to win trophies and have some sense of pride when it comes to this. Seeing your defence fall apart year after year has to sting and even if he's not even thinking about trophies at the start of the season, just having the pride and drive to make sure your team doesn't look foolish when out there for 90 minutes is enough. Don't let those boys walk out on the pitch and put you to shame, man. Where's his pride? He's a football manager and the ultimate goal should be to win games and improve as a squad. The trophies come as result of constant drilling, chipping away and refining certain parts of our game. How can he look at the tapes of us playing and be satisfied as a coach? How? That's what's killing me. When you put the board and money issues to one side, it boils down to those 90 minutes on the pitch and what you see going wrong after each game. It's like he can't see the problems or has no idea how to fix them. He hasn't even tried to adjust the way we play or tactics, he's just doing the same thing over and over again. As a coach, he should feel ashamed but he doesn't.

Nail on the head P n' G. It astounds me how the man has no shame, or any sort of professional pride left. As this is the case, why not do the honourable thing and resign as he clearly does not have the answers.

If he really loves this club, or even cares to a degree then he should step down.

It's game over for le' Prof!