Did Walcott dive for the red card?

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Yep, a true gooner takes satisfaction in predicting the downfall of his club.

Muppet.

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Satisfaction you say?

No but I will be satisfied when that joker at the helm finally disappears, because he's the reason we're in this mess.

Could have been so different if we had someone who was willing to adapt and accept his and his teams weaknesses/mistakes.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Just to be clear I don't care whether he dives or not (though players get crucified for doing it on hear and it's not good sportmanship), I'm more interested in how good he is on the pitch.

You were comparing Young and Walcott, my point was that Walcott has had longer playing alongside better players than Young, but they're chalk and cheese IMO because almost everytime I see Young he looks a threat and when he's on his A game he's unstoppable.

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You form your opinions on how many step overs a player does and rarely on actual objective results.
Also, you complain about how Young never got to play in a big club earlier, then later you'll complain about how Arsene isn't actually that good at developing players, these days when ever I unhide anything you say it's just "bollocks bollocks, bollocking bollocks, I hate Wenger, bollocks, more bollocks with extra bollocks."

Walcott isn't a flair player, but he can be effective and is already a big player for us. So get over it.

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Walcott isn't a flair player, but he can be effective and is already a big player for us. So get over it.

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disagree to an extent, he is a big player at the moment but if he stays like he is now and ox improves massively and plays like he did for CC and eng u21's theo will find himself dropped very quickly. he needs to improve big time and quickly to keep his place

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Although he created more chances than anyone else and assisted RVP's 2nd. I don't personally see him as a striker, but ask what the hell was Ashley Young doing at 22?

It's the same muppets that rated/still rate Aaron Lennon above Walcott, trying to us the most pathetic things to confirm there own points of view, in a vain attempt to convince themselves that they still know something about football. :lol:

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Theo is better than Young.

Dont think theres any disputing that. Sure Young had a couple of good games for Mancs at the start of the season including v us but he was largely shit for Villa and since ive put him in my FFL team, hes done f all for Mancs either so hes back to normal.

Theo at 22 is better than what Young was at 22. In fact, Theo at 22 is better than Young now.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

disagree to an extent, he is a big player at the moment but if he stays like he is now and ox improves massively and plays like he did for CC and eng u21's theo will find himself dropped very quickly. he needs to improve big time and quickly to keep his place

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Meh, between injuries and rotation, both should get plenty of game time. The less we can rely on one player the better.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He won't though will he because he's injured (another problem with having him).At the end of the day I just want to see quality footballers at the club, don't care if they're English or not, Oxo for example looks to have masses of abilty IMO, but Walcott just doesn't, if he did that would be great but I think 5 years+ proves he doesn't.You're a pretty good poster to be honest and I agree with most of what you say, but you seem to have a soft spot for Walcott despite him not really delivering.

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You need to look at the facts. He set up the second goal and made the run that reduced Bolton to 10 men. Is that nothing? He created a couple of chances for RVP and should have scored himself. But you have some serious amnesia when it comes to Walcott. He scored a hat trick last season and was one our top scorers. This season he's bagged a few goals as well and shown how good a finisher he is for the Champs League goals.

I'm consistent with my argument and I've said from years back that Walcott should play as a striker because you can just see from his movement that it's his natural position. Wenger thinks so, Wright thinks so and Theo thinks so. Another point I keep making is the side of the pitch he plays on and for someone that watches so much football I can't understand why you can't grasp it or keep ignoring it. Play Theo down the left like how Henry and Pires played and he'd score with ease and be more comfortable. You see how Ashely Young plays for Manure and you've watched Arsenal for years. When a right footer is coming in from the right on goal, it's harder for him to score if he hasn't got a great left foot. We saw it in the final of the Barca game with Henry fluffing his chance. Strikers can miss those opportunities if they're coming on on their weaker foot.

As I keep saying on here, Wenger plays too many players out of position. Theo is one of them but if you check my posts, I'll say the same about Arsahvin playing on the flanks or when Wenger had Cesc playing too far up field with Wilshere sitting deep. I don't think Arshavin is a rubbish player, he's just being used wrong and when I think about Walcott, it's the same thought process.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Theo is better than Young.

Dont think theres any disputing that. Sure Young had a couple of good games for Mancs at the start of the season including v us but he was largely shit for Villa and since ive put him in my FFL team, hes done f all for Mancs either so hes back to normal.

Theo at 22 is better than what Young was at 22. In fact, Theo at 22 is better than Young now.

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Only in the lands of dreams I'm afraid.

Thing Young has proven his worth, that's how he earnt a move to the all conquering Man U side and why he's now delivering for them.

He's in a different league to Walcott, much more talent, Walcott is just pace.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Only in the lands of dreams I'm afraid.

Thing Young has proven his worth, that's how he earnt a move to the all conquering Man U side and why he's now delivering for them.

He's in a different league to Walcott, much more talent, Walcott is just pace.

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Walcott scores more and makes more.

Young whips in a good cross from time to time and um....err oh scores a blinder once a blue moon and um thats about it

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You need to look at the facts. He set up the second goal and made the run that reduced Bolton to 10 men. Is that nothing? He created a couple of chances for RVP and should have scored himself. But you have some serious amnesia when it comes to Walcott. He scored a hat trick last season and was one our top scorers. This season he's bagged a few goals as well and shown how good a finisher he is for the Champs League goals.

I'm consistent with my argument and I've said from years back that Walcott should play as a striker because you can just see from his movement that it's his natural position. Wenger thinks so, Wright thinks so and Theo thinks so. Another point I keep making is the side of the pitch he plays on and for someone that watches so much football I can't understand why you can't grasp it or keep ignoring it. Play Theo down the left like how Henry and Pires played and he'd score with ease and be more comfortable. You see how Ashely Young plays for Manure and you've watched Arsenal for years. When a right footer is coming in from the right on goal, it's harder for him to score if he hasn't got a great left foot. We saw it in the final of the Barca game with Henry fluffing his chance. Strikers can miss those opportunities if they're coming on on their weaker foot.

As I keep saying on here, Wenger plays too many players out of position. Theo is one of them but if you check my posts, I'll say the same about Arsahvin playing on the flanks or when Wenger had Cesc playing too far up field with Wilshere sitting deep. I don't think Arshavin is a rubbish player, he's just being used wrong and when I think about Walcott, it's the same thought process.

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You mean stats surely.

Problem with stats as mentioned many times before is that they don't show how much a player was involved and what elese he did, most people on here pretty much agree he was shite yesterday and yet the stats you point to seems to say he performed well.

I've never thought he was a good finisher and I stand by that, over the years he's missed a lot of easy chances when 5 yards away from goal which a good finisher would have put away, yesterday he missed an easy chance where he was all alone and had an age to decide what to do, what does he do? You guess it shoots lamely straight at the keeper....and this is far from a one off.

I know you've argued he should play up front, but IMO (and Shearer's and he should know as he's one of the best finishers every to play in Englan) his finishing isn't good enough.

You see your argument falls down because you think that just because someone is out of position they can show their ability, that's not true, I agree they won't be as effective as they could be but you would still see signs of talent.

IMO Walcott shows none of that, he's just pace and when you lump it over the top he'll chase it and probably win the chase but who wouldn't if they were quicker that another player?

Arshavin is a massive talent, you can see that even if he's not at his most effective where he plays, he still dribbles and tries to score goals and looks dangerous. Walcott lacks the talent.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Walcott scores more and makes more.

Young whips in a good cross from time to time and um....err oh scores a blinder once a blue moon and um thats about it

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Young is a better crosser, uses his pace better, is a better dribbler and seems to have a better shot. Walcott has got pace and that's pretty much it, he does get chances but he fluffs a fair few as well, no striker is perfect of course but he's not a good enough finisher to play up front.

I'd take Young over Walcott any time of the week, pretty sure Ferguson would as well. I said in the summer Young will be a real weapon for Man U as his pace will change their game back to how it ws when Ronaldo was around, it seems to have already happened, faster than even I thought.