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Yes, yes it is.
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Because I'm English, think we should have an English manager for the England team, think the team needs a team motivator to perform, that Redknapp is the best one to achieve that. And if it fucks up spuds, all the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Simples.
:doh: How long did they spend sucking 'Arry's cock on MoTD last night? :sick:
No wonder he's got a twitch
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There is always a tendency for a collective group think in football where assumptions are made by a few and adopted by many others. This must explain why Capello, win ratio of 67% and all, is being described as though he was a failure and a bad manager, a bad man, even.
Given he fucked up in South Africa where it counted, I'm not sure the stat is so significant. How does his qualification record compare with other managers - apart from McLaren most times we have qualified OK. What counts is the record in the actual tournaments. Even Erikson did better than Capello and it is English managers that have taken us the furthest in the finals, not the non-English managers. I think one of the factors is that when you are asking the players to perform and doing the 'England expects' bit, it must fall a bit flat if the manager is non-English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rors
It's been said before, but if these players really need motivating to perform in the world cup finals, then they shouldn't be there in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
To Coney: I think it's more that when England come up against better opposition, they lose - England's record in knockout ties has been horrendous for decades. Also, there's this assumption that it's only English players that have pressure placed on them due to national expectations.
I think our players do underperform. The pressure thing is the media being twats - I'm not sure how much pressure is put on players from other countries by their own media - are they really as savage as our press? But a manager like Redknapp (and El Tel and Robson) is the kind to be able to help players deal with that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I'm not sure our record in knockouts is 'horrendous' compared to most other countries. We've got to semis under English managers - while we might have screwed up at the last, I would not say it was horrendous. Robson (English) and Venables (English) lost in semi-finals on penalties to the eventual winners. While that was painful for English supporters, that is hardly horrendous. Under Erikson, when we got knocked out, it was because we played uninspired shit - he was no motivator. There were stories coming out of the England camp after the defeat against Brazil about Erikson's half-time talk which apparently was a non-entity. I think 'arry would do better than that. He does know how to talk to English players - GHELs if you like - and that motivational leadership is what I think has been missing from our performances in tournament finals. I've thought that for years - decades - and have never approved of having non-English managers for an English team. Teams are supposed to represent their countries and the manager is part of that team. Once we water down the idea by having non-English components, then we are heading away from the idea of internationals.
That is a completely meaningless stat. Of course they have because over all our history in World Cups there have been more English than foreign managers. I could equally say the last time we failed to qualify for a finals at all was under an English manager ergo we should always have foreign managers. That would be equally spurious.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
There is no reason at all to think a good English manager would do better than a good foreign one. Right now I do agree 'Arry is a good choice but he's not a genius (by his own admission) and I don't believe England will suddenly be sweeping all before them under him. I think he'll do OK and then after a few tournament finals where we fail the press who now so laud him will turn against him and round we go again.
A list of teams England have beaten in knockout ties since 1990 in the Euros and World Cup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
1990: Belgium (aet), Cameroon (aet)
1992: N/A (didn't win a game in the group stages)
1994: didn't qualify.
1996: Spain (on pelanties)
1998: N/A (went out to Argentina on pelanties in the last 16).
2000: Went out in the group stages.
2002: Denmark.
2004: N/A (went out to Portugal on pelanties in the QF's)
2006: Ecuador.
2008: didn't qualify
2010: N/A (went out to Germany in the last 16).
I don't think the nationality of the manager is going to make a huge amount of difference, unless, unless the next manager is prepared to say to those that have failed time and again, their time is up. Passion isn't going to get you that far, it doesn't in the Champions League, it won't in the international tournaments. Also, 'Arry had admitted he doesn't particularly have much time for tactics rs- that's just not an approach that can work against much higher quality opponents in international tournaments. For example Maradona is as passionate as it gets and is absolutely beloved in Argentina but he didn't have a clue internationally. No team ever wins the major tournaments anymore unless they have a coach that has a tactical brain and players with heightened technique; in English coaches and players, that has generally been lacking.
It's probably a consquence of the Premier League that it has become this way, the necessity of trying to play at 100mph doesn't allow technique to be the most important facet developed in English players (historically anyway). And that is why I say the next manager/coach needs to bring in a totally new side of the players that do have technical ability, otherwise this cycle of international dissapointment is bound to continue. Germany decided to start again after 2000 with a new approach and granted they haven't won anything yet but they are bearing the fruits of that change now, it should've been done years ago with England when it became clear the same old, same old was nowhere near enough.
And the press in Italy, Spain and Brazil is as savage as anywhere. In Italy probably even moreso than England.
As I said in another thread - we'll just have to see. Anyway, one thing I want is an English manager.
Agree about ripping everything up and starting again. The "golden generation" should have been done away with a long time ago. Another point about them is that I genuinely think they don't enjoy playing for England - so fuck 'em I say. Bring the young guys in and build from there. Wilshere had a place nailed down last year so I think the transition is underway.
I'm also hoping Oxlade is taken to the Euros.
I believe the manager should be English but not 'English' English. My kind of English. i.e. not necessarily English at all. Mourinho is English. He had built (sorry, bought) a title-winning side managing good, honest lads. Steve McClaren is arguably the most qualified English English candidate but he is not English. English is not a nationality, it's a philosophy. Maradona is as English as they get...and honestly, I wouldn't mind if he became England manager. It would be a good laugh. And isn't that all we're after in life? A good laugh? I rest my face.
All that was under Capello....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Bring Harry in and the likes of Lampard, Rio and J Cole would never be dropped.
They are his West Ham lads. And in the Lumps case, his nephew.
We wont have anyone new under Harry.
Hiddink, Hiddink
Hes our man
If he cant do it
No one can
Not to mention we'd have to put up with a load of spud players in the team too. Theo will never get a shot over lennon with arry in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Theo would never get a shot at the Arsenal with GW in charge. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Told youQuote:
Harry Redknapp would try to entice Paul Scholes, 37, out of international retirement if he were to land the England job.
Full story: The Guardian
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Scholes is still better than every England midfielder bar Wilshere, so it would actually be a good decision on Crooknapp's part.
The same Scholes that cried like a bitch cos he was shite in the middle for England for years and didnt score for 3 years i think and cos of that, he was moved to the left during Euro 2004 to accomodate the lump and Stevie Me and ironically enough, he scored his first goal in ages for England playing on the left during that tournament but then retired cos he couldnt handle the competition and has been a bit shit for Mancs ever since?