Match reaction vs Schalke

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07-11-2012, 10:24 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

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07-11-2012, 10:26 PM
Gervinho's Forehead

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

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Uh huh.
07-11-2012, 10:39 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Letters

They beat us at home and yet not getting beaten away isn't a good result? :blink:

Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.
07-11-2012, 10:43 PM
Marc Overmars

They're a better team than us.
07-11-2012, 10:45 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Letters

I agree with a lot of that, particularly the bit about our whole style of play relying of very good, technical players. Players which we arguably don't have enough of any more. We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks. We should win on Saturday vs Fulham (should being the operative word). The NLD will be interesting as there's not much between the sides right now but we're more than capable of winning that one. If we win those two the mood around here, and amongst fans in general, will thaw somewhat.

If we don't then I might avoid this place for a while! :lol:

I think we have good enough technical players in our front six to maintain the fourth place trophy but we don't have a manager that can manage them well enough. sure, they are no cescs and rvps but ability wise as good as any other team aiming for fourth.

the problem is through all the bonds that need to be forged, injuries, misplaced trust in some players form and persisting with odd systems with players out of position etc then it will undermine the season and this time, we don't have a goal machine to bail us out.

as MO alludes to above, the 'team' will not be good enough, as a unit.
07-11-2012, 10:56 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.

Its not like its easy to go to their ground and win, even Barca Struggled to beat Celtic away and just about beat them at home. Yes we should have done better at home, but we have no right to expect a win at their place. Cl is not as easy as it use to be.
07-11-2012, 11:11 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

I think we have good enough technical players in our front six to maintain the fourth place trophy but we don't have a manager that can manage them well enough. sure, they are no cescs and rvps but ability wise as good as any other team aiming for fourth.

the problem is through all the bonds that need to be forged, injuries, misplaced trust in some players form and persisting with odd systems with players out of position etc then it will undermine the season and this time, we don't have a goal machine to bail us out.

as MO alludes to above, the 'team' will not be good enough, as a unit.

We'll keep on struggling to find an understanding and rhythm every year because the heart of the team is always ripped out.
07-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.

Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:
07-11-2012, 11:33 PM
Cripps_orig

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.

Them beating us was an upset. We should have rectified that mistake at their place and didnt and the way we didnt makes it worse. Losing a 2 goal lead just showed up all of our mental weakness

1 point in 2 games v Schalke, a team we should be getting 4+ from is shocking
07-11-2012, 11:33 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Ach

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.

Neither are we tbh.
07-11-2012, 11:37 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.

Them beating us was an upset. We should have rectified that mistake at their place and didnt and the way we didnt makes it worse. Losing a 2 goal lead just showed up all of our mental weakness

1 point in 2 games v Schalke, a team we should be getting 4+ from is shocking

Who really cares as long as we qualify thats the name of the game.

End of the day our team is shite and its stupid to expect to go there and get 3 points cause they beat us at home it does not work like that.

They beat Dortmund in the game before they played us, so id hadly say they are a bad side.

Its about getting out the group, if we don't then that result you could say cost us, right now i don't see the problem with it.
07-11-2012, 11:38 PM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Neither are we tbh.

A fair point but we as Wenger so often likes to point out have been in the CL 47 million years in a row so we should be beating cannon fodder like this.

Fact is we arent. Its not only in the league we are a bit shit. Its also in the CL and we havent moved on at all to the next level in the CL level.

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe
07-11-2012, 11:39 PM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Who really cares as long as we qualify thats the name of the game.

End of the day our team is shite and its stupid to expect to go there and get 3 points cause they beat us at home it does not work like that.

Its about getting out the group, if we don't then that result you could say cost us, right now i don;t see the problem with it.

Arsenal fans i imagine
07-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

Arsenal fans i imagine

Yeah and if we Qualify, they'd not give a shit about those 2 games.
07-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yeah and if we Qualify, they'd not give a shit about those 2 games.

If we finish 2nd and we get one of the big guns meaning certain elimination then yes they will.

Its a piss easy group.

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

We have Wenger
07-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Letters

Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:

Pretty much.
07-11-2012, 11:45 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Ach

If we finish 2nd and we get one of the big guns meaning certain elimination then yes they will.

Its a piss easy group.

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

We have Wenger

Thats a if, or who we draw, don't really see no big teams on top of the groups right now, so we may be better off to finish 2nd.

And if you draw the big teams you draw the big team. you have to play them at some point.
07-11-2012, 11:48 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Thats a if, or who we draw, don't really see no big teams on top of the groups right now, so we may be better off to finish 2nd.

And if you draw the big teams you draw the big team. you have to play them at some point.

True but we'd rather lose later rather than in the next round which we will if we play a decent side.
07-11-2012, 11:49 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Letters

Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:

That's the problem though isn't it, you accept mediocrity I don't and haven't for years. We're a big club and as Cripps says these guys should be cannon fodder for us, having lost at home we should have made up for it away. Over two games we got one point out of 6...awful result!
07-11-2012, 11:51 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Neither are we tbh.

Thing is though in terms of financial muscle we're top tier pretty much, it's just we have a 3rd tier manager dragging us down with schoolboy tactics, ridiculous policies and an inability to learn and stubborn streak never seen in the history of football.
08-11-2012, 12:06 AM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

True but we'd rather lose later rather than in the next round which we will if we play a decent side.

Yeah your right i guess.
08-11-2012, 12:28 AM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Ach

A fair point but we as Wenger so often likes to point out have been in the CL 47 million years in a row so we should be beating cannon fodder like this.

Fact is we arent. Its not only in the league we are a bit shit. Its also in the CL and we havent moved on at all to the next level in the CL level.

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe

historically you'd be right about schalke but on current form (that has been improving year on year) they are a very good side. as they are right now i'd put them in a second tier ability and performance wise, so using the same way to judge arsenal, we'd be a third tier right now. we've been in the cl a very long time and should have a better standing in it but we don't, we've never risen above being second tier.

i think you would be right to say that teams in the knockout round would want to draw us given our history but i'm not sure its fact most teams wanted us in their group. regardless of what wenger or anyone else thinks about our qualifying record it means we would be seen as serious contenders to grab one of the spots in a group. given we were in the top section of teams everyone outside that would expect a struggle to get through if in our group - as we are seeing now. we're playing poorly and still holding second.

granted, we'll go out very quickly once out of the group, but thats not my point.
08-11-2012, 07:51 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Ach

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

Like Barca? :lol:
08-11-2012, 07:52 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Ach

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe

You can't argue with made up facts like that.
08-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Letters

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

That's the problem though isn't it, you accept mediocrity

We finished 3rd last year. You need to look up mediocre.

We're looking poor at the moment. In the context of recent form, and Shalke beating us at our place, getting a point out there was a good result and one that you'd have taken before the game. We got one (admittedly letting a 2 goal lead slip which was disappointing - but at least we didn't go on to lose, in fact we might have won it at the death) and you moan your moany tits off :shrug:
08-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Letters

You can't argue with made up facts like that.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Like Barca? :lol:

Just rememeber the wum your replying to :coffee:

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