The Liverpool Thread 2017/2018 featuring Jurgen Klopp

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Originally Posted by Ach

Premiership will be a poorer place without him. Hope he comes back and scores a hat trick v Mancs

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Meh feck him tbh, deserves all he gets.

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Originally Posted by Fergie the Rednose Reindeer

No vway he can after this, there'd be a backlash from clubs and even countries from abroad if he got off.

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Since there is clear video evidence in the case of Terry, he should get at least the same and possibly more. Now we need some racists comments from the Citeh squad to even things out.

From you-know-where:

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Siege mentality required throughout the club now, let's stick together.
Mr Alex Ferguson's shitting himself that we may be back on our perch in the next few years, Murdoch's media empire hates us because they'll never defeat us.
Suarez has been made a scapegoat. Murdoch's media will milk this!
And you know what? I fucking love it!
The team are beginning to epitomize 'The Shankly/Kenny Way' and together, along with the support of Fenway Sports, we are going to conquer the World again!

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ARRRGH!!!

RAWK at its best there. :bow:

actually cant believe liverpool have used the he isnt a racist his best friend is black excuse. (ok grandfather in this case) its pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

and @Coney:

There's a big difference between the cases.

The FA didn't need to prove that Suarez made a racist comment. Suarez admitted he did, but he was pleading ignorance on the grounds that it's an accepted jokey reference from where he comes from. Once it has been established that a racist remark was made, the FA was always going to act strongly considering the fuss about racism in football recently.

In John Terry's case, he denies it outright. Whether you think it's 99% clear from the video or not that he said 'black cunt', the FA is forced into proving it which is more difficult. And I think they'll look to make it as difficult as possible. John Terry's in the clear IMO.

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He admitted he said it but did not mean it in that way. End of the day we know that if the Fa fined him gulity they'd have no choice but to strip him off the armband, they may not want egg on their faces so may let him go.

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Originally Posted by Fergie the Rednose Reindeer

He admitted he said it but did not mean it in that way. End of the day we know that if the Fa fined him gulity they'd have no choice but to strip him off the armband, they may not want egg on their faces so may let him go.

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Nah, surely not?!

Not sure how many ways there are to interpret 'black cunt'...John Terry's thick but I'm sure even he knows that Anton Ferdinand isn't a vagina.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

Nah, surely not?!

Not sure how many ways there are to interpret 'black cunt'...John Terry's thick but I'm sure even he knows that Anton Ferdinand isn't a vagina.

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think terrys story is that he did say it but he said it because he was telling ferdinand that he diddnt call him a black cunt. he admits to using the words but says he only said them as he was saying he didnt say them

In fairness, it sounds as though John Terry's got slightly smarter legal representation... But still, no one believes that bullshit.

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Originally Posted by MOre Letters to Santa

RAWK at its best there. :bow:

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My mind is blown every time i go on that site. How can humans be this deluded?

Saw this on there: http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...topic=284310.0 :lol:

I am slightly worried that the Suarez ban has been labelled a "deterrent". That makes it seem as though their Terry one will be less harsh, because they'll already have made an example of Suarez. And Terry's should be longer. Because he's more of a cunt.

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Originally Posted by V-Pig

I am slightly worried that the Suarez ban has been labelled a "deterrent". That makes it seem as though their Terry one will be less harsh, because they'll already have made an example of Suarez. And Terry's should be longer. Because he's more of a cunt.

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:lol: its funny cause its true. Although Suarez is a massive cunt as well.

Worth remembering Big Man's case has been investigated by the police firstly, not the FA. At least not yet anyway.

Also, it is the CPS that are to make a statement regarding him this afternoon.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Worth remembering Big Man's case has been investigated by the police firstly, not the FA. At least not yet anyway.

Also, it is the CPS that are to make a statement regarding him this afternoon.

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Yes - the FA cannot do a thing until the police/CPS have finished.

Re:Suarez. I heard this morning that he might not have been as abusive as is made out. Now it could be they (Uruguayans) are making this up but it does have a ring of truth. He used the word nigretto (or something like it) and the interpretation over here is as if he had used the word nigger. This might well not be the case. Remember when George W Bush used the expression 'Pakis' and the UK PC brigade jumped up - except that while paki is a term of abuse in the UK and its use is therefore rightly condemned, in the US, it is just short for Pakistani as we can use 'Gerry' for a German without being considered at all abusive. (We have plenty of other ways of abusing the Germans).

Now if it is true that the term nigreto in Uruguay is considered as innocuous as Gerry is to us, it would be wrong for Suarez to be penalised in the way he has been. A word to him indicating that over here, it would be considered offensive by people so he should avoid using it would be sufficient on this occasion. Of course if the nigretto word has the same connotations as nigger has over here, then he deserves all the punishment he gets.

People on both sides would be wise to wait for the written statement. But that just ain't gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

think terrys story is that he did say it but he said it because he was telling ferdinand that he diddnt call him a black cunt. he admits to using the words but says he only said them as he was saying he didnt say them

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JayTee's defence is absolutely terrible. I don't think anyone can take that seriously. He'd basically be in the same boat as Suarez in admitting using the words...and I can't recall 'black cunt' ever used affectionately. Banned for the season, to be fair.

"I didn't call you a FUCKING BLACK CUNT!!"

Yeah, sure :blink:

:lol:

If Terry is let off I can see RAWK literally exploding.

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

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If Terry is let off I can see RAWK literally exploding.

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If Terry is let off, there will be a general explosion. Surely even the FA could not be that stupid. (What am I saying? They could.)

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

JayTee's defence is absolutely terrible. I don't think anyone can take that seriously. He'd basically be in the same boat as Suarez in admitting using the words...and I can't recall 'black cunt' ever used affectionately. Banned for the season, to be fair.

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JT is in a worse position, I reckon. The thing is that Suarez has the (admittedly iffy) defence that he did not think that nigreto could be considered offensive in the UK when it is not in Uruguay. However, Terry does know that black cunt (or any number of other racist terms) is offensive in the UK. As such, if found guilty, he should have a harsher sentence such as death.

Terry is fucked however you look at it. He can't back down from the statement he made at the time, including admitting saying it. I'm sure looking back he regrets that. Should've claimed he was calling him a bald cunt or something. Is Anton bald? I dunno.

Obviously it's on camera, unlike the Suarez stuff.

He has form for cuntery.

He should be killed, but at least yeah, his is a far worse case than Suarez's.

I think there's a key difference. I still don't understand exactly what Suarez's stance was. He pleaded 'not guilty' but did he not admit that he said something that is offensive in the UK but pleaded ignorance and said it wasn't offensive where he's from? Whereas Evra also admitted saying something about Suarez being South American? John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

Immigrants :rolleyes:

None of this confusion would've happened if Joe Bloggs insulted John Smith.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

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They must have something to squash that technicality. I think the TV footage is obscured by Ashley Cole's head at the start, presumably where Terry reckons he was saying 'I wasn't calling you...'. Must be other angles given to the CPS.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

They must have something to squash that technicality. I think the TV footage is obscured by Ashley Cole's head at the start, presumably where Terry reckons he was saying 'I wasn't calling you...'. Must be other angles given to the CPS.

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Wasn't it a home game? That footage will be misplaced, no doubt.

Good to see Gus Poyet keeping quiet on this one...

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

Wasn't it a home game? That footage will be misplaced, no doubt.

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It was at Loftus Road.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

I think there's a key difference. I still don't understand exactly what Suarez's stance was. He pleaded 'not guilty' but did he not admit that he said something that is offensive in the UK but pleaded ignorance and said it wasn't offensive where he's from? Whereas Evra also admitted saying something about Suarez being South American? John Terry denies that he said something offensive or anything that could be interpreted as offensive. As pathetically weak as his case is, he still has a chance to get off on that technicality.

Immigrants :rolleyes:

None of this confusion would've happened if Joe Bloggs insulted John Smith.

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I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It was at Loftus Road.

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It'll get lost in the post then.

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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yeah in Uruguay we call all blackies nigga

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

I think Suarez's defence was that he used a term (still not exactly sure what it was, but probably negrito) which he and other South Americans wouldn't consider offensive but is ambiguous enough to be considered offensive to us. And that because there was this ambiguity there's no way to prove there is any racist intent. As such he's been found guilty of using a term which could be considered racist, as opposed to flat out racism. The thing is we've still yet to see any video evidence (which is odd if he said it 10 times considering Terry's one liner was picked up) and the fact Evra admitted to also using a pejorative term toward Suarez. We have to wait for the written report to see exactly what went on.

Either way though, it didn't work.

In other news Suarez needs to wind his neck in from now on.

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Evra admitting to using aggressive words might've actually worked against Suarez because it suggests - as we all might suspect - that the conversation was an aggressive one. So for all the talk of 'negrito' is a friendly term in South America, it's at odds with what seemed to have happened. And besides - the term doesn't need to be derogatory in itself for the same reason 'black' in 'black cunt' isn't, in itself, derogatory but the whole term is still a racist insult. The commission found that Suarez referenced Evra's skin colour as part of an insult - which for our purposes is a racist insult. Personally, I think 'Negrito' sounds as much like 'nigger' as it does 'negro' (or at least it contains the former when sounded out). If Suarez admitted to 'I didn't say Nigger/Negro, I said 'Negrito'' I think it's almost as weak a defence as Terry's. But he pleaded not guilty to the charge and if he didn't admit to saying anything like that, then the evidence would have to be very good to prove it.

I didn't realise Big Man is actually facing a criminal charge.

Lock him up and throw away the key!

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

Evra admitting to using aggressive words might've actually worked against Suarez because it suggests - as we all might suspect - that the conversation was an aggressive one. So for all the talk of 'negrito' is a friendly term in South America, it's at odds with what seemed to have happened. And besides - the term doesn't need to be derogatory in itself for the same reason 'black' in 'black cunt' isn't, in itself, derogatory but the whole term is still a racist insult. The commission found that Suarez referenced Evra's skin colour as part of an insult - which for our purposes is a racist insult. Personally, I think 'Negrito' sounds as much like 'nigger' as it does 'negro' (or at least it contains the former when sounded out). If Suarez admitted to 'I didn't say Nigger/Negro, I said 'Negrito'' I think it's almost as weak a defence as Terry's. But he pleaded not guilty to the charge and if he didn't admit to saying anything like that, then the evidence would have to be very good to prove it.

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Yeah, it's all very pedantic and wishy washy. Which is why I'm sitting on the fence until the report comes out. If it is based on the whole negrito thing then we should just get on with it and move on. The Terry thing will soon overtake Suarez in peoples' minds. It probably already has.

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Originally Posted by MOre Letters to Santa

I didn't realise Big Man is actually facing a criminal charge.

Lock him up and throw away the key!

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Public order offence innit, plus his mum is a shoplifter

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Originally Posted by MOre Letters to Santa

I didn't realise Big Mans is actually facing a criminal charge.

Lock him up and throw away the key!

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BBC have said the most he can get is a £2500 fine so it would be down to the FA to bring any real punishment against him.

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

BBC have said the most he can get is a £2500 fine so it would be down to the FA to bring any real punishment against him.

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Well if the police find him guilty then The FA will surely need to dish out another 8 game ban.

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Originally Posted by MOre Letters to Santa

Well if the police find him guilty then The FA will surely need to dish out another 8 game ban.

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You'd hope.

Oh God, rumours that the team will all wear Suarez shirts before the game. Please no. :ilt:

Poyet's 2 cents...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...uarez-?cc=5739

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"I have tried to explain that we live with coloured people in Uruguay. We share different experiences with them. We play football, we share parties. We are born, we grow up and we die with them. We call them 'blacks' in a natural way, even in an affectionate way. That is the way we were brought up. We are integrated and there are no problems from either side.

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Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss

You'd hope.

Oh God, rumours that the team will all wear Suarez shirts before the game. Please no. :ilt:

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That's very RAWKish.

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Originally Posted by MOre Letters to Santa

That's very RAWKish.

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So was last night's statement.

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Originally Posted by Syntos Claus

Relying on a racist is pretty desperate. They should become like us and rely on a rapist.

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