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http://arseblog.com/2014/03/arsecast...th-ian-wright/
This is worth a listen. Some good points made.
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Originally Posted by saintnickle
Almost always guaranteed a laugh whenever I visit this place.
Really? It says 'With Ian Wright' so I'm not expecting that many good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by saintnickle
Listened to the part that he started at, he makes decent points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by saintnickle
#owned
I think people need to cut Wright some slack. He’ll always be a Gooner. He made some good points at the end and he’s right about the players letting Wenger and themselves down. Beyond the tactics and team selection, there should have been unified agreement that we wouldn’t get battered coming out for the 2nd half. It’s even more embarrassing because the beating came at the hands of a Mourinho team and they should have been pumped to deal with him considering his recent comments. I have a hunch that the comments got to the players and Wenger and we set out to attack him instead of just staying calm and making sure we don’t make mistakes. We got the wind kicked out of us early and stayed flat from there on.
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Originally Posted by saintnickle
The club wasn't struggling financially, it put a financial plan in place that focused on securing increased revenues so the club could compete into the future against the biggest clubs domestically and in Europe. This plan has been completely successful, despite a major economic downturn, and Wenger has been instrumental in achieving the result. Like any senior employee who has delivered for his bosses he has been paid well. If you want to criticise anyone at the club regarding money, have a look at the previous shareholders who put very little in and then demanded the maximum payout when they left. Criticising Wenger for the results on the pitch in one thing. Criticising him on the financial side is nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
Why do you say that? He loves Arsenal and has his opinion on things, just because you don't agree with his points it doesn't mean they aren't valid or good. Haven't listened to it yet but to discredit him even before listening is harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I've seen some of the shit he spouts in the papers. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Listening to it though and it's good so far.
I've yet to read anything decent from Wrighty in the daily rags, but to be fair to him he's actually pretty good on his 'drive-time' phone-in on Radio 5, and does come across as a genuine gooner...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Oh he's definitely a genuine gooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Listened to most of the podcast now and he seems reasonable enough.
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Originally Posted by Munchies
That man is sooooo bitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
He has had an agenda for sometime, and I'm sure it's personal. A personal vendetta is not the ideal basis on which to base his opinion.
I agree to an extent that Wenger is at fault, but he blindly casts assertions about that don't stack up when you look atvthe bigger picture.
For one. Mourinho may be a better tactician, but there is no way he could have built a side on a shoestring and do what Wenger has for this club. No way whatsoever. That's why Maureen hates Wenger so much. You don't despuse someone so much unless you are insecure in yourself....
....much like Robson.
I wasn't sure for a while there! He was starting to sound like any old mercenary footballer when SWP (allegedly) chose Roman's millions over us, but he seems to have gone back to being unashamedly Arsenal again since then, so I'm prepared to chalk that up to sticking up for his lad in public...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Ian Wright is Arsenal through and through
Most times when I hear him speak, I understand where he is coming from, but his newspaper stuff is garbage.
He might have an agenda with Arsenal, but he's not far off from the truth. I couldnt go another season with another thrashing by Mourinho, Man U, City or Liverpool Its too painful. Get beaten is fine, all good teams do, but losing in that manner against Chelsea and Liverpool was a complete disaster.
The crazy thing is, for all the hammerings we've taken from our main rivals this season, we'll still only be 4 points off the top if we beat Swansea tonight (big 'IF')!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
What's even more insane is that we could have taken all those hammerings and still been top, if we'd only beaten Southampton and Stoke (or Man U, or someone else shit)?! We might look light-years behind our rivals in our head-to-heads, and that is something we undoubtedly have to put right, but our current position suggests that we're actually outperforming them when it comes to the easier games (which make up the vast bulk of our season)?
I still can't believe we've chucked this one away. I still can't believe our actions over the past two windows. We're paying for it now. The poor form and amount of injuries racked up is no coincidence. We really should have bulked up the squad. We'd have been in a much better position to secure the league title.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
what do people expect a new manager to deliver? if lets say we win the cup and top four this season, i think thats progress and a good season though i see why people think change is needed, but if the new manager delivered that next season, is that acceptable given people want Arsene to go for potentially delivering just that.
I dont think it mathers, i think some people want to get rid of him no mather what, they'll always find a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
For me, it isn't just about where we finish, or what we win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
My annoyance is soley based on the same mistakes being made over and over. It's pretty unforgivable, no matter how much I love Wenger and all that he has done for us.
thats a fair reason. I was asking as saw this question on twitter and someone said something quite interesting. if a new manager did come in, he would (if he started right now) be under pressure of not winning a trophy for 9 years as the club hasn't so with that in mind, does the expectations rise or does the new manager start from "0 years" since last trophy if you see what i mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Media would probably just change all their articles from "Wenger havent won anything in X years" to "Arsenal havent won anything in X years", unless we hired Mourinho, they would they celebrate his 4th place as an improvement to all the other 4th place trophies :d
This is Arsene Wenger we are talking about here? he is hardly mr introspection now is heQuote:
Originally Posted by Darknight02
Anyone please, we need some major changes from the playing staff, coaching/Scouting and above all a new manager, but it just aint going to happen. Wenger is in a confort zone and the Board will back thier man. Its Groundhog Day for the next 3 seasons.
Personally speaking, I'd be putting any ideas of trophies right out of my head to start with, if anyone new came in - yes, that's what they'll eventually be judged on, but in the immediate/short-term I'd be looking more at things like whether they can modernise our thinking about fitness and injury prevention, update our scouting network, the kind of players they bring in, whether we see a change in the mentality of the teams we put out, whether we start to focus a little more on things like shape and pressing, and build more around pace and power, whether we go out with specific game plans for specific opponents, etc. For all out huffing and puffing as fans, we're a actually quite a patient bunch, and I think we could absorb another trophyless year or two, as long as we feel we're seeing signs of change - from what I've read on these forums over the last 10 years, it sounds like it's the monotony of the 'same old, same old' that's wearing everyone down, rather than any great disaster or crisis, and I think most fans will be happy to give it a little time, as long as they feel we can see something new happening...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Only way I see a new manager is if Wenger decides he has had enough but wouldn't be surprised if he is given a role in the board room and tasked to select the next manager.
I'm really starting to think he may walk away this summer, his body language is that of a beaten man. You have to think whether the players are starting to wonder if he'll sign a new deal as well.
I'd actually love to see him take over the academy, when he eventually decides to retire from management - he's always said that developing young players is the part of the job that gives him the most satisfaction, and what an incentive that would be for the best young young players to join us instead of our rivals: the chance to learn from Arsene Wenger instead of some nobody!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I dont want him to have any influence on first team matters if he does leave. He's had 18 years to do what he wants under no pressure fom above and he has to accept that someone else should come in and do what he believes in rather than follow orders.
No pressure?
Nice idea but for someone claiming to give youth a chance how many players have actually been brought the academy under wengers reign. Cole, gibbs, wilshere. Szczensy was signed at 15 I think. Can't think of any others that have a big contribution to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
you mean the same body language he carries around every time we have performed badly in the last five yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Well, if he hasn't felt the quality has been good enough, then there's his chance to something about it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Hell no! More tippy tappy passing drills during training? No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7NfAHMh0g
Still going on about the 'spirit'
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That's the sort of stuff you should be learning at academy level though - the basics. I have no problem with seeing it at that level - it's the first team training methods that need updating...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Yes, pressure. Getting 4th is about as tough as it gets for him. We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league so we're just about doing enough but he is never under presure like other managers, he is never going to fight not to to lose his job, to spend properly or to challenge properly! no to mention that his tactics and lack of preparation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
he has gotten a far easier ride than anyone else and apart from cetain sections of the fans, everyone is respectfull towards him and his name is sung at every game so not much pressure.