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It's an option for him if he wants game time but he'll have to simplify his game and protect the ball better, which he did poorly last season. It's something he'll have to develop and it could work but I doubt he'd be happy with that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Injury Time
I'd actually love to see him move back into a deeper role - not at the expense of an extra midfielder coming in, of course, as I don't think there's a long term future there for 3 or 4 of out current options, but I definitely think it's the best fit for Wilshere's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Injury Time
Also worth considering Rosicky in a deeper role too, IMO...
He'd been bright coming off the bench in 1 or 2 of the earlier games but when he became trusted and got his start against an average Nigeria he was appalling, totally inept. France looked to have no idea on how to break them down, just like us for most of last season. As soon as he was subbed for Griezmann and Benzema moved to CF everything changed. They started linking up and it lead to the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Proved to me that were handicapping ourselves. His best role in plan B off the bench.
He has (sort of) already played that role for us - in that year where he first really broke into the side (2010-11?) he was in a midfield 3 with Fabregas and Song, and very often ended up as the furthest man back as Song regularly swanned off to join the attack. And he was really good at it too - wasn't he voted our player of the year that year, as well as PFA young player of the year, and voted to the PFA team of the season? Obviously he's lost his way a little since then, largely through injuries, but I honestly think that we need to get him back into that kind of role again, if we ever want to see him back to his best - having the game in front of him just seems to suit him better than waiting for it to come to him higher up the pitch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Of course. Before his injury, I’d have no qualms about Wilshere playing that role but based on what I’ve seen of him recently, I fear he’s too reckless and gungho. Back before his injury, he’d easily skip past or spin an opponent and then lay off the simple pass. It was a thing to watch. He had the awareness and sharpness to play on the half turn, to always be on the pivot. These days, he gets caught in possession on the turn a lot, goes down easily from slight contact and overplays with the dribbling. It’s not impossible for him to tone down the dribble attempts. I except him to be aware of the position he’s playing and having to adjust his game but it’s the bad habits he’s picked I’m not so sure about. He’s also not that strong physically and needs to work on his tactical positioning. It’s a big risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Wenget has said himself he sees Wheelchair as a deep lying player, someone who can distribute the ball and begin attacks. To play that role though you also need to be able to tackle and have the nack of intercepting at the right times.
At the moment he's got too many bad habits, this is a big year for him, people have already started to notice his lack of development so another season on the shelf would be very damaging. He's old news now, needs to make himself relevant again with some of those stellar 2011 performances.
Jack's best position is in the deep lying playmaker role. When we beat Barca he was instrumental at linking play and providing the platform for our attacking play.
As the DM? God no. He hasn't grasped the art of tackling. He'd be the type of DM that would give away fouls every time he goes in for a tackle, similar to Scholes. Plus he's made of glass and he really isn't suited for it.
We'll get torn apart by the big teams if we have Wilshere anchoring our midfield or even Wilshere and Ramsey lining up together in Central Midfield without a strong physical presence.
I am hoping these rumours of us not going back in the market for a Midfielder are just rumours, sticking Wilshere there is square pegs in round holes IMO.
I think Wenger will consider trying it but more as a last resort. The game is played far simpler from that position too, even if losing the ball is far more grave so perhaps Wilshere can again come into his own playing there.
I don't like the fact it would be more as a result of failing to secure a transfer target than a real belief in Wilshere being our DCM though. Wilshere doesn't really have any aerial presence to speak of so at this rate, Wenger will play Giroud and never take him off:
Walcott, Sanchez, Cazorla, OxO, Gnabry, Podolski
Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky.....
Diaby
Not the biggest team we've ever assembled besides the Fabled Frenchman and not one of those guys really dominates in the air. Sneezy is perfecting his technique of hitting the back of Giroud's head as we speak......
Honestly, I don't see how Wilshere will fit in the DM, perhaps going as an understudy to a QUALITY DM for a season (i.e. not Arteta or Flamini) would be a better approach. However throwing him in the deep end is a risk we do not need to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Yep agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerlathon
I also agree with Blink 1nce Quince 2wice in that at the moment it seems that Wenger is trying this method due to failing to acquire his principal transfer targets in this position.
Certainly looks that way. The DM transfer talk has died down and Wenger did hint at looking for internal solutions for midfield. I just always thought he’d gamble on Diaby again or see how Coquelin gets on in the preseason. I suppose trying Jack is a better option than that but it sucks to hear this sort of talk. The season ahead will be tough and I don't see the need to gamble like this.
We cannot allow this to happen, esp not this season after doing our business early and building on our FA cup win. Man u, City, Chelsea and Liverpool have (or will) all strengthened and we cannot stand still anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I dont think Diaby can play in the DCM role. one of the first things the role needs is ability to receive and pass the ball quickly, Diaby's biggest problem (after injuries) is that he dwells on the bal for too long.
Guys,
We're not "allowing" it to happen. Recently we've tried to sign Suarez (Liverpool wouldn't honour the contract), Khedira (wanted to be paid his wages and everyone else's wages), Remy (just LOL at his demands), Draxler (wants to stay where he is), plus other top class players and we actually have signed Ozil and Sanchez. Just be thankful we aren't Utd otherwise we'd be listening to countless snubs and reflecting on the fact we signed Fellaini. Lots of time to go until the window closes.
I don’t think it’s impossible for Jack or Diaby to be converted, I just don’t see why we’re being such cheapskates. It’s not really worth mentioning Diaby. I’m just hoping he gets through this season without any major injuries. Wherever he plays, he’s going to be very rusty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Diaby doesn't have the natural sensibilities to play there, I would agree. As Lev says, he dwells on the ball way too long which strikes me as one of those things the most talented kid in the park does. Diaby hasn't had the uninterrupted time to curb that habit and unlike when he was 14, he will now find himself in the midst of tough premier league games.
If the season started tomorrow I'd play Arteta (I know he isn't popular here) and would be looking to replace him late on with Rosicky.
We shouldn't forget that Wenger has already experimented with playing Ramsey and Jack in the 2 in front of the back line so it isn't as far fetched an idea as you might think, but he clearly doesn't think it is ideal, hence the pursuit of a DCM for 2 summers now.
Besides Flam, we don’t have anyone that can naturally play the role. Arteta had to adapt and it’s not impossible for Jack or Diaby but we just shouldn’t be doing that. These sort of experiments require time and patience because there is a learning curve and there will be mistakes made by the players. But we shouldn’t be in this position. Let the fringe players fight to get into the first team and prove themselves. Don’t shoehorn them into a position that should be filled by a much better player that’s more suitable for that role.
Arteta is the most disciplined midfielder in the squad, by a long way. And he still gets stick for it.
I'm not saying we can't improve on Arteta in the holding role, but we could certainly do a lot worse i.e. Jack or Diaby.
Disciplined or limited. Fine line IMO.
If disciplined means Can't run for toffee, Can't tackle for shit. Then yes he's disciplined. He is no DM However.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
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Originally Posted by Gooner23
We’re having to hit the ball up to Giroud or try to get our wing backs to drive the play forward from tight wide possession because we can no longer pass the ball out from the back through the middle. Arteta isn’t good enough to play on the half turn and gets shut down quickly. He’s not comfortable receiving the ball from deep and then dishing it off. He always points for the defenders to pass it wide or long. It slows down our play and I don’t want us always depending on Giroud to hold the ball up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
I’m surprised by his technical ability and always thought he’d fair better in the role. We didn’t buy him for his discipline and Wenger could have bought any old brute to play in the DM role, but like his defenders, he likes technical players that can keep our passes flowing. But Arteta isn’t great technically and even though he holds, he hasn’t got the physicality to really make great use of his discipline. We need to find a balance.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If its so funny name someone that is then? Flamini charges round like a headless chicken, Ramsey plays box to box (rightfully so) and Jack always gets caught high up the pitch and doesnt have the engine to get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Didn't say Arteta couldn't be improved on, just not from within the current squad.
Mertesacker.
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
True. We don't have many internal options. Coquelin is a player with potential but I doubt Wenger will keep him. Also, he's inexperienced and raw. We really need to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
I agree, always thought Coquelin had promise but surely it's game over for him this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
A manc getting smacked down hard after his mancish observations on Podolski's efforts to tempt Khedira into joining him in London.
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Arteta's ability to keep the ball moving in midfield is second to none at the club. Unfortunately, with his physical capabilities on the wane, that is not enough for the side we find ourselves with now, but to my mind he is still the best fit of those that are here.
Bitterly disappointed the Khedira deal is practically dead and I hope we have alternatives.
Canadians :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wife beater bitch slaps another (see user name)...although tbf I'm not entirely sure why Pod couldn't come back a smidge early he's already had a nice holiday in Brazil with his mates :run:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Reportedly Khedira has lowered his wage demands to £134k a week in a 'last-ditch' attempt at clinching a move, £134k a week presumably being the absolute barest minimum he can subsist on without spiralling into poverty, depression and, ultimately, death.
If that is after tax, I suspect the club will retain their ground.
There hasn't been any concrete proof we were interested in him. This is the obvious agent trying to get him a bumper new ego-soothing contract in the face of diminishing importance at a big club by linking him with Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG.
With Bender, there were confirmed bids. With Schneiderlin, we've had confirmed interest by two reliable BBC reporters. Nothing regarding Khedira.
In terms of cost, injuries and actual midfield attributes that would benefit the team, he's the most risky, so it's not a devastating blow that there's no interest.
Oracle Ornstein said we are no longer looking at Khedira, which maybe means there might've been some interest. I think Wenger might well sign a CM but with Arteta and Flamini fully rested for the new season he might wait to see who becomes available late on in the window. Whether it's Khedira, Carvalho, Schneiderlin whoever, Arsenal like to make a big deadline day story because they think they've got the upper hand in negotiations and can get better deals.
Metro reporting that he's dropped his excessive wage demands and is eager for a move over here.
Guessing the realisation that he's not going to feature in Madrid's plans next season has finally caused him to push for a move. It's only us and Chelsea seemingly interested and the latter don't really need him enough to pay what he wants.
I rate Metro at least as good as the Daily Blair at pulling stories out of thin air. But if true, the chavs can't sign him now because they are on a FFP drive. Apparently. :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Well the Bender bids were way back last summer so I have no idea why we're still being linked to him. Wenger opted out and has moved on imo.
If Sami boy has dropped the demands then there may be hope yet.... I think that the Specialist eejiot would have signed him by now if he wanted him. We are in a sense fortunate over the lack of opposition.