The Bournemouth defeat goes to show that at the moment we really can lose to anyone. It appears that we did go for it, or at first anyway (I didn’t watch the game, I was quite convinced it was over from the first leg)
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The Bournemouth defeat goes to show that at the moment we really can lose to anyone. It appears that we did go for it, or at first anyway (I didn’t watch the game, I was quite convinced it was over from the first leg)
YEAH! YEAH! I'm up for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Here's my money - where do I send it?
Wow, just the privilege to be associated with a payment processor that handles income for Arsenal!
I KNOW, for a FACT, my money has gone to the club that delivers so much in return.
Maybe I'll subscribe twice.
I'm also voting Labour.
Why did we keep going for the long throws? :lol:
If we're going to do that, Tierney needs to be on.
Anfield next so that'll be fun.
Couldn’t believe it really.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
At first I didn’t mind the champagne Stoke tactics as I felt they were a plan B, but as the season has gone on it’s become quite apparent that it’s more of a plan A because the forward line simply don’t have enough.
Anyone who forgives this should be shot through the head with a .45. So definitely dead. I'm NOT saying I would do that, I'm only saying I would do it if you asked me to. Which obviously you would if you made excuses for this result. I'm here to help.
It was actually our go to in a Champions League semi-final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Really you don't deserve to reach the final at this level with that.
Fuck the overwhelming dependency on physicality, can we have a mix - like actually play football?
Like we did only last season.
No Nwaneri at all.
:haha:
Forget being our go to in a CL semi final. It’s actually our go to after 6 years of Arteta and however many hundreds of millions spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Arteta is the most overrated coach in the game. So many limitations with him.
He's already wasted, Arteta mishandling him supremely, wait until he gets sold because he's 'not good enough' and goes on to play for RealQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
BTW, in our last 10 games in the league we've achieved 14 points, and that include games against the likes of Ipswich, west ham and everton.
Enrique and PSG have achieved 15 points this year in 7 games against Liverpool, Citeh, Villa and now us.
Maybe we don't have to look too far for another manager.
I'm fairly sure PSG didn't get any points for beating Liverpool, Villa and us.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Lol, you know what I meant... 5 wins and 2 losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
TBH I am taking this loss better than I thought I would.... that's a bit sad isn't?
No doubt though, Luis Enrique knows what he is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
That's not true. The enthusiasm of youth can't be extinguished by a cynical manager. This is the only reason the two kids broke through, because they performed outside the very limited envelop set by their very unambitious manager. They are anomalies, not part of the plan. Somebody will take the credit, I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Football is a simple game. If you do it properly you win. If you go on Sky and have pundits and have agents and subscription fees and renew your contract 2 years in advance, It's something else - entirely unconnected I'd be angry of this was a football match. But it isn't, it's a marketing campaign. Modern football has nothing to do with football.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
League's already over, no need to get points in that now. Although probably should pick up enough for 5th spot so we can get into the CL next year for... reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I couldn't give a shit about the loss or the club - they all made bank a usual and it's be steak and caviar for tea. I think the whole insane blindness of it is what gets to me. Listening to those arsehole pundits play up this "sport" as if we're seeing the pinnacle of competition practised by unparalleled masters of the art. Tip, tap, tip, tap. Like we have no memories. Like the world resets each paycheque. THEY annoy me. The evangelist whores. Same with politics, same with business, same with everything - All is well! Okay, but leave me out of it. Nope - here's an ad for you, with some whale of a bird iceskating and talking about here period! Enjoy! It's a fucking looney bin, that's what annoys me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Two transfer windows to get a striker? What do you say to that Martin? Well, Vanessa, I think Arteta is showing his genius....
I'm not crazy I tell you! You're the ones who are crazy! Let me OUT!
Sometimes I can only guess at which bad results will make me angryQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
The first leg I was fucking furious, but the two defeats preceding this drained me of the capacity for rage it would seem
Plus as you well know whilst I actually didn’t think we’d lose on the night, I had zero confidence that we’d go through
Complaints about heavy handedness of French police last night
Which for me feels a bit like complaining that the Catholic Church doesn’t like women
They live by the motto of “Fuck around, find out. Don’t fuck around, probably still find out”
As I said before the game, I did have a strange optimism - I acknowledged we weren't favourites but I didn't feel it was as hopeless as you did. And to a point I stand by that, we played well last night. Their 'keeper made an early excellent save from Odegaard. That goes in and it's game on. Fine lines in football. We mostly dominated them, so props for that. But the fundamental issue - and this has been our problem all season - is we're just not dangerous enough going forward. PSG looked more dangerous than us going forward. I blame Arteta for that, not the players. They were doing their best but we just don't have enough firepower. It was a known problem last summer and his decision not address that was always one he would have to live or die by. It has been the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
It does feel like Arteta has achieved all he can - which isn't nothing. He inherited a mess and made us genuine challengers, not this year but the last two. And he's taken us to a CL quarter final and then a semi-final. It's not nothing, but it's not enough either. For me he gets one more season, but it feels increasingly unlikely he will deliver the big trophies for us.
Arteta has stated that we were the best team left in the competition.
He has entered the delusional and denial phase of the project.
Just talked about this in the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He's literally saying to the boys " more of this"....not sure how anyone improves with that sort of mentality.
Sigh. Yes, I saw that. That is a bit worrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We literally lost both games :doh:
Also saw that he undermined Liverpool’s title win, alluding to points tallies from previous seasons.
Just begging them to batter us on Sunday.
He is losing it.
Inaugural winners of the Xg Trophy?Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Especially so when Wenger tells you, you’re wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Or he was saying this to try to maintain the morale of his players who had just suffered a heart wrenching exit. I don't agree with what he said, but I am troubled a bit by how we fans seem more inclined to side with a pretty entrenched anti-Arsenal press than to back what Arteta is trying to achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It's true the anti-Arsenal press want to ignore the refereeing decisions an injuries to say we've not won anything because we're crap - not true, obvs, but they also do touch on things closer to home with some of the analysis re Arteta, that's the bit that's harder to bat awayQuote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Some of what he's introduced is childish - the cheesy anthems, dogs and pathetic 'army'
He needs to take time to grow up this summer so we all get taken more seriously - and all of the above should be summarily ditched
It's funny though. Arseblog has a good piece today talking about how the prevailing view in the press is that Arteta never takes responsibility for his team's performances when this is just not true.
Every manager has days when the stress and emotion means they say things that on reflection they might have said differently. But our manager seems to be singled out - both by those outside our club and by our own fans. I think this is unfair.
Arseblog says:
Perhaps the lesson here for Arteta is not to give certain sections of the media the opportunity to make those headlines in the first place, but he’s a heart on his sleeve kinda guy for the most part. Plus I don’t think we can put the sensationalist rage-bait genie back in the online bottle at this stage. It’s just a bit of a shame that such surface level analysis exists when it doesn’t take much research or reading to understand it goes a lot deeper.
I agree with this.
I have to say, I think there’s truth to this.
The one example that stands out to me is he gets a question specifically about the type of ball used in the Carabao Cup and whether he thought that affected the performance and result
He responded by saying words to the effect of “Possibly but we have to learn to adapt and not just make excuses”
The media headlines “Arteta blames ball for defeat to Newcastle”
The only thing I can say is I really don’t follow sports media enough to understand if they are that profoundly dishonest with other managers in order to generate headlines and controversy. Probably but who knows
I think Arsenal and Arteta are singled out. Firstly, because of the Liverpool and ManU bias in a generation of pundits and journo's; second because 25 years on we are still regarded as a 'foreign club'; third because Arsenal fans are seen as entitled and haven't won the league for so long, and lastly because Arteta's intensity is (IMO incorrectly) seen as lack of grace and being a bad loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Arteta does need to grow up and stop being so emotional, also not expose his players' emotionsQuote:
Originally Posted by IBK
I was really annoyed when he said some players were crying in the dressing room after the second PSG game - he should be statesmanlike and talk calmly about the game, and let the players themselves decide whether to reveal things like that
Arteta saying that plays into our being portrayed as soft losers IMO and also his sense of excessive control over the team - he needs to let his players take their own responsibility for talking (or not) about their own personal reactions, not taking that away from them by broadcasting it to the world's media
It’s interesting because apart from his spastic (used in the true meaning of the word rather than claiming someone who lacks intellectual capacity) gesticulations on the touchline. I find Arteta distinctly emotionally lacking (in terms of depth), even the dressing room rants which we were invited to view felt more like performance art than anything real.
Like shouting at Auba which is reportedly what he did, feels like something he felt he had to do to establish control
And that’s what it’s all about control. Arsenal fans falling onto the fainting couch again when Peter Schmeichel called him a control freak because from the dugout he’s trying to control how we play.
Well needless to say Schmeichel was onto something, but ofc he'd never admit his Man Ure side would have won half as much if their manager didn't have the refs and FA around his little finger
Well I’d say Schmeichel himself was probably single handedly responsible for a couple of their titles
The season against Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle for example. Game at St James Park, Newcastle played United off the park but Schmeichel kept them out and Cantona I think it was went up the other end and sucker punched them
In the 99th minute no doubt...Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Ha so interestingly enough just re-watched the highlights of that game in question, under the title of Schmeichel’s greatest game? yet ironically the highlights only show the one save he makes from Les Ferdinand, most of Newcastle’s inability to score taken from the snapshot of these clips is about their own glaring misses in front of goal.
It may well have been Schmeichel’s best game, but you’d think you’d showcase that a bit better :lol:
Oh and the Cantona goal was six minutes into second half apparently, outrageous amounts of added on Fergie time was far more of a feature at Old Trafford
He really did intimidate them, I don’t know why…he wasn’t that scary. Not defending this behaviour obvs, but guy in London went right up to him once and punched him in the balls.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/...n-6630525.html