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Well when Merts someone as shit as kos next to him no much he can do, he was more or less running the defence on his own once sagna went off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Because kos was terrible, JD was worse and santos was nervy and Chesney was poor too
jesus christ we are just an embarrassment. we've become the liverpool towards the end of rafa's reign and under roy, just comical and hideous to watch. there's no way back now, we've neglected our team and strategy too much over the years and it's gone too far for it to just be simply fixed under wenger. the players will never ever, ever, respond to wenger again because he's let them get away with murder over the past few years. he's lost the team and deep down he knows it. he even tried buying experience this summer to solve the problems and it evidently isn't working.
he's tried youth. it hasn't worked.
he's tried experience. it isn't working.
the team is going nowhere with him in charge and needs change.
a change of personnel is needed. someone who will stamp their authority down so the players will respond.
never thought i'd see this day come where wenger is being forced out. but it has. who's to blame? no-one but himself. too stubborn for his own liking, and now it's come back to bite him in the hand.
Bang on the moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
That's not really really the case though, they showed it on MOTD just now,before Blackburn scored he allowed his man to get a free header.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Then for the 1st he was caught out of position and too slow to get back, then in the 2nd half he was left for dead and Blackburn were clean through.
That's ignoring the fact he was awful in the air, none of those were down to Kos.
This guy is very experienced, problem is he has never been very good as I've said many times over the years. He's been poor for Werder for a couple years, isn't in the German team anymore and you can see why.
That was abysmal. The 4th goal at least 5 players were uttely pathetic & you could round up 1,000 pub players and every single one would've avoided putting the ball into their own net.
But he's never played in this league so it was always going to be challenging for him, it would take him time to settle, thats why i thought we should have nough in cahill tooQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Its like he kicked it there on purpose, he had time to clear it i swear there was no pressure around him at all. Its like the CC final all over again no commuincation between the too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
Nothing to do with that, like I said never rated him and there's a reason for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If you sign quality they have the nouse and speed of thinking to be solid, if he was going to need time to settle why the f*ck would we sign him...should have bought someone from England.
Vidic didn't need time to settle, neither did Luiz....these are just more lame excuses tbh :coffee:
rubbish aboslute rubbish, vidic and luiz had good cb partners Pers has not played with one has he sill comparisons tbh. Vidic had rio and Luiz had terry, Alex and Ivanovic. And all Those two clubs were not going through a crises.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Our problems would still be there even if we signed the best CB in the world makrs no diffrence
The one thing that can be said though is at least it was an attempt. Song on the other hand, once Hoilett had beaten Djourou, barely made 50% effort at a tackle, which can be said for his game in general. With passengers in the team like him, Arsenal could well be in trouble this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
'Fraid not, he's just not much of a CB, just a panic buy by Wenger and the wrong one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
He's not in the class of Luiz or Vidic and never will be.
The excuses are coming out again just like they have time and time again for Koscielny, he was poor for Werder before nothing to do with his CB partner, like I said you take responsibility for your own play especially at his age :coffee:
How is it an excuse jsut because you don't rate him don't mean he is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
you go on like Luiz and Vidic made the defences themselves without rio vidic would be nothing and with out terry neither would Luiz.
Put per next to cahill or TV5 he looks much better but blaming him when he is next to kos and jd is dumb and shows your bias,
but hey each to their own thats the last thing ill say on this because your just biased so no point talking to you really
It's an excuse because whenever players perform badly you have some sort of reason for it, like Koscielny before him etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
This isn't some kid we're talking about, this is an International defender with 70 caps......the errors were 100% down to him nothing to do with the rest of the defence, if he can't stay in position that's his own fault, just as it is if he allows his man to get a free header or to turn him.
When Luiz was bought Chelsea had problems in defence, he was still fantastic though...so it's nothing to do with the partnership, a good defender performs well regardless of his partner, the team may still concede goals but if he does what he's suppose to he can't be blamed for them....today he was at fault numerous times.
if you belive that more fool you put luiz in oour defence he'd look shit and they still be telling us to buy cahill. Put Merts in the mancs defence he'd look world clasQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Nope, he never looked World Class playing for Germany either always pretty average so you're talking nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Luiz would be a great defender regardless, we might still concede goals (as there's no organisation) but his performance would at least be solid.
Mertersacker would never be bought by Fergie, he's not good enough :coffee:
don'y worry you biased so a conversation with you is a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Fair enough, you'll probably see it in a year or two just like Koscielny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
have i ever said kos was world class or was the answer to our problems, because i have never. did i say merts was etither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Did i tell you i wanted merts here
No but you've many a lot of excuses for Koscielny as many others have, I've long said he was sh*t due to constant errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
You're starting to do the same with Mertersacker, sorry but in my book there's no excuses for poor performances and no pointing the finger at other players for another players poor performance either.
Unlike you i like to give players time to settle before i judge them, just like id like someone to give me time to settle into a job before they judge me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Ive backed kos because he had some good games and he was always thrown in the deepend i felt. Not his fault he plays games for us is it. i like to support players in the shirt unlike some
There's a difference between giving players time and accepting awful play from them, don't expect them to excel but do expect them to be competent at least and not make basic errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
It isn't Wenger's fault he doesn't perform (well maybe partly is as he doesn't motivate players), Wenger picks him but if Koscielny can't perform it's down to his lack of concentration or inadequacies.
Granted Wenger shouldn't pick him, but since he does the guy should at least be competent and avoid own goals like the one we saw at the end, that was so casual it's untrue.
Never thought id here you ever say that LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Time to frame that lol
Tbf Mertesacker has been world class for Germany as seen in the last 2 Worlf Cups where he was brilliant.He needs to play with Vermalen though asap cos he's not quick enough to keep on covering Koscielnys shitness
He needs a new manager to get the rest of eleven players to defend as a team. The world most mutherfakin baddass rock hard defender Mohamed 'iron' Adams Maldini (and he doesnt even exist anyway) cant save us from this shitness, let alone TV5. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I think that anyone who watches football for more than 10 years can't really say that Merts is class.
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94/95 GG's last 26 games
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2011 AW previous 26 games
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I picked up some data (above) from one of the tweeters last night and did some sums around it. In the last 26 games we’ve picked up 33 points out of a possible 78. If you looked at George Graham’s last 26 games in charge, he picked up 27 points out of a possible 76. He was a manager who didn’t have a £120million wage bill at his disposal, a manager who had won a trophy within the previous 6 seasons and he certainly hadn’t left £50million sitting in the TPA fund.
Arsene Wenger is some how, still sitting in a job after overseeing our worst run of form I can remember. We’ve conceded 33% of last seasons total conceded goals inside the first 5 games. This from a manager who was charged with improving the defence in the summer. This is a problem he’s been trying to sort out for 5 years and he’s systematically failed to improve year on year.