Unfortunately I don't have those. Overall we are down on average possession compared to last year (-1.5%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
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Unfortunately I don't have those. Overall we are down on average possession compared to last year (-1.5%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Goonersweb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
after the newcastle game i saw this stat. compared to this time last year we have scored more goals and conceded less. so while we might be down on possession, we have still scored more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Possession is overrated. Counter attacking football is far more dangerous and exciting to watch which with ox theo and pod we could do.
In Arsenal terms, yes it's overrated. But not when it wins you everything almost every season a la Barca.Quote:
Originally Posted by SayNoMore
Tbf Barcas style of football is boring as fuck. Best team ever in most people's opinion is theReal team of last year which broke all kinds of record and the football they played was counter attacking fast placed enjoyable brilliant football.
:haha: you are fecking good, you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Guardiola said today that he intends on coaching a team next year but he does not yet know where (I wanted to bump the thread of what manager we would want to replace Wenger but coudn't find it).
In any case, :popcorn:
Time for Pep to come home.
With Falcao hidden in his pocket.
Guardiola needs to come home.
Guardiola needs to prove himself with a harder project than Barcelona before he can be trusted with a club that needs serious work like ours.
We'll stick with Wenger, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Which is why he's perfect for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Come home, please :pray:
Until Wenger stops qualifying for the CL, yes, we should stick with him.
That sound like you want to appoint someone to cure all the ills from boardroom down. Isn't that the problem in the first place, one person wielding so much influence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
I believe that Pep's greatest work as manager was done in his first season, when he got rid of the likes of Ronaldinho, Deco etc and won the treble the next year. He also had a bit of luck (Messi's emergence as a consistent threat which only grew over time) but he was left with probably the greatest collection of talent the world has ever seen over the next few years and (admittedly) won most of what he could. He's never really had a huge setback to deal with - the first, last season where they won nothing of note saw him run off to New York, and he's also presided over quite a few fuckups (most notably Ibrahimovic).Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I believe it's harder to not win the league were you in charge of such talent as he had in Barcelona (which to me is shown by Tito's seamless transition as new manager) and he's not yet shown himself capable of achieving the work required to turn us into challengers again (both being astute in the transfer market as well as a few major tactical reshuffles).
Let's not forget Rijkaard had a fair amount of success with Barca before Guardiola, it's not too hard to achieve success when you have such good players at your disposal, though the style of play of course is something he did develop well.
Personally though I wouldn't want us to play the short passing type of football, we tried and it was boring as hell, counter attacking is where it's at if you want excitement.
That's not really answering my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Anyway though, one of the first things he did (well I say first things it was a few games in to 08/09) was put Messi in that mainstay role, which wasn't exactly the most obvious move to do with Henry and Eto'o still there. Nobody made him bring in Busquets and Pedro but he did it. Why? Because he worked with them at the B levels. Did it work? Yes, immensely so.
Tito doing well doesn't show up Guardiola as being lucky at all - he was Guardiola's assistant. It's fairly safe to assume he's not going to rock the boat (though there have been some differences). Saying he ran off to New York is asanine, he was one of Barcelona's longest ever serving coaches and he was only appointed in 2008. He always maintained that if he felt the players were not responding to hearing the same things again and again in the same way, he would leave before it becomes terminal. I think knowing when to let go is probably one of the qualities most people have been crying out with regards to Wenger, isn't it?
It sounds like you want the perfect candidate (and to win trophies immediately given you say we should just stay with Wenger until we don't make the Champions League), which I am guessing could only possibly be Mourinho.
The team Rijkaard had success with had quite a few differences in personnel to the one in 08/09 and very different to the one that Guardiola had success with in 10/11 (compare Champions League final starting XI's).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Yes I agree but he didn't develop Barca's youth team, he was lucky enough to have players come through who were top quality (not least Messi who is an extraordinary player), he did have the core of a winning team that he simply added a few expensive signings to.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
His acheivements were very good, but I think they need to be put in perspective a little bit.
I think the problem with Barca's style of play is that it can be nullified by good organised teams, just as Chelsea did several times to them (Barca won one they were fortunate to win), Barca have top players and their style works very well for them, I wouldn't want to see him trying to reproduce it with inferior players though (which invariably they will be) as we'll end up with another post 2006 AW Arsenal.
Guardiola was heavily involved with Barcelona B in fairness, it also helped that his stature as a player is such that players are going to be receptive to him with immediacy.
We can put anybody's achievements in to perspective but you would surely take him over Wenger in a straight choice, in a heartbeat? And I ask that without meaning to sound your qualms about Guardiola's abilities as a coach are any less valid.
Barca's style can be nullified (what teams can't) but those instances are going to be very rare, especially as I do think they are a bit more direct this season.
Yes I'd take him over Wenger for sure because first and foremost it's clear winning is important to him, the style of play however worries me. Barca are an exceptional side with exceptional players, we won't be seeing that here as we don't have the players or the kind of money to bring those players in, take Messi out of the Barca team and suddenly they don't look quite as good.
Counter attacking gives you much more flexibility and a great margin for error IMO.
So that'll be the end of this season then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Thank fuck for that!
I would doubt he would try and replicate Barcelona over here to such a precise degree, I don't think he is that close-minded. In any case, Wenger tries to adhere to a Barcelona template but I don't think we do many of the things that they do anyway, aside from pass it well, without even accounting for comparisons of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Barcelona weren't afraid of counter-attacking, or at least what seems like counter-attacking with the speed they move the ball at. I'm not sure it's something you can really set your stall out as your main tactic, over here, just coach for it when the opportunities arise.
Does anyone watch the Fans Forum?
Some mouth-breather has just phoned in with this gem...
'I wanted to talk about the transfer window, right, wot we should do, right, is sign some decent players'
Pro tip right there.
Although A&W covered some of my thoughts above, basically I think the level of control Wenger has is impossible to shake given how the club is setup (a board that is either unwilling to participate in on pitch matters or knows nothing about football (Kroenke, Gazidis) unlike the 'holy' partnership of Wenger and Dein, so until we get something like that we have to stick with Wenger and the level of control he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
For us to be successful, it's quite a long shot as in our league we're dealing with two teams that can comfortably outspend us (Chelsea, Citeh) and also the best manager football has ever seen (ManU). No other manager in world football has really had to deal with the problems we have (remain competitive on a budget) apart from ManU and I truly believe Ferguson is so far ahead of the rest that he's the only manager I think would 'guarantee' us success if he come in as a straight swap. For the other managers in world football, even the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho haven't really had to deal with financial constraints Wenger has - if he made some of the fuckups those two have (Ibrahomovic, Chygrynskiy, Caceres etc - even for Mourinho, who has made some errors such as SWP, del Horno, Boulahrouz).
I believe Wenger has made (on average) less mistakes than those managers have but we have a smaller margin for error in terms of replacing them so if we fuck up we have to stick with such players (a la Arshavin, Gervinho) unless someone takes them off our hands. Essentially, I don't think anyone apart from Ferguson or a tactical whizkid could see us win the Premiership in its current climate - Mourinho would improve us tactically for sure, but I'm not sure if he'd be able to turn us into competitors without the ability to massively spend to fix our deficiencies.
I thought the financial constraints excuse was sent packing already. Didn't Wenger spend something like 50 mil after the United embarrassment last season?
Do you think that Wenger will still be at the club regardless of who is next to be appointed? I do get that impression that would be the case personally and would be shocked if we didn't end up appointing Stojkovic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
I think the amount of money that will be coming in to the club next season, even not accounting for the Champions League shortfall (though I think we'll qualify again) is such that there will be more than enough to at least make us far more competitive than we have been before, of course, the likelihood that chance is taken is rather slim but still, the possiblity is greater than before.
I don't want to go on too much about transfer stinkers because all managers will have them, especially as Barcelona (and Real Madrid) will have a President making transfer proclamations so often (and of course wielding influence over transfers anyway) but it also doesn't account for the ability to correct the many coaching deficiencies we have which I am sure you will have noted in that long list you talked about right at the start of the conversation; the parts that should not need multiple sums of money to patch up.
'Arry. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
how much did we sell the previous season?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Doesn't matter really.... Point is, Wenger could have made better buys with what is available. Everyone and their dogs knew we weren't good enough barring Wenger, whose eyes were only opened after a soul sucking loss to the Mancs. 11th hour shopping and a pile of more dross was what we got for 50 mil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
This season we sold 2 players, bought 3, yet still we're more shit than last season.
But then, he just might scrape 4th place again, delivering glory to those who label those of us who want more as glory hunters.
It took me ages to get through their rigorous screening process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
i couldn't care less about that boring discussion we've all had a million times.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
you said the financial prudence excuse was washed up by us spending so much.
that's what i responded to.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Can you be our manager?
We made a profit overall. We could have spent more but Gazibis came out with line about keeping our powder dry or some such PR BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
exactly. we may have splurged but it was on the back of big outgoings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
the financial restriction excuse is here to stay for quite some time.
The scarier thing is the possibility that someone somewhere figured we'd be alright without spending the extra £26.5m (Dos Santos 6.2, Arteta 10, Per 7.6, Park 2.7, YFB Loan).Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
£50m was the entire window spend.
city havnt managed to sell out their 2000 seat allocation for sunday so the tickets are on sale to us now.
city - small club, shit fans
It's to do with the price of the tickets, I believe.