Yeah we had plenty of opportunities to get him, Wenger didn't rate him so so that was that, just like all those other almost signed players who he never rated highly enough to pay the money for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
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Yeah we had plenty of opportunities to get him, Wenger didn't rate him so so that was that, just like all those other almost signed players who he never rated highly enough to pay the money for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
It does yes, but on the evidence so far they are improving and looking like an excellent team, they do need to sort out the defence but they clearly have identified that as they trie to sign Van Dijk. They've also already signed some guy for next summer who is supposed to be pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Wenger didn't rate him, didn't know where to play him either so the player we saw at Barca and City may have turned out different under Wenger. We couldn't get a work permit for him whilst on trail but I'm sure if he were impressed and believed in his talent that much he'd have signed him then loaned him out. Wenger probably didn't like the way Yaya reacted when finding another club to play for since we were dragging our feet. It must be why he never moved for him seasons after. Too much for Wenger to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ne-Wenger.html
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“Yaya Touré played for us in a pre-season game as a second striker and he was completely average on the day,” said Arsčne Wenger, the Arsenal manager, of the younger Touré’s role in a 0-0 draw at Underhill on July 19, 2003. Reports say City’s barnstorming midfielder missed the game’s best chance.
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The promotion of youth, he points out, is a gamble that misfires when the starlet leaves for bigger money five years later. “You need to be brave to put a player in at 18 years of age, and you need to make room for them, which means you not only need to stand up for the players you put in, but as well you have to kick somebody out.”
Wenger first encountered Yaya Touré when the player was 15 and based at Beveren in Belgium. “[Emmanuel] Eboué and Gervinho played there as well. Yaya Touré is a top-class player. We knew that at the time.
"The only problem was to fix him into a position because he can play everywhere. He can play centre-back, as a second striker, as a midfielder and for a long time we didn’t know where to play him.”
Are you fucking serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You should start watching the matches again. Not for enjoyment, obviously, but as an indicator of how huge the gap is between us and any half decent side in this league. Just one bad performance, just one bad performance. No. It is the culmination of many outrageous capitulations strung across a decade. The last match we played is considered by some to be the worst performance ever seen in the PL. In reality, there have been a lot of shitty performances so how could they know? But it's safe to say it was among the worst performances ever. And if we played Liverpool again the same thing would happen. Because there's a gulf between us, in terms of the tactics, the work rate, the philosophy and, above all, the ambition. Liverpool are hauling themselves up on a rope. We just fell past them, using gravity. Narrow margins make a difference in competitive sport. Wide margins are catastrophic.
If you are genuinely trying to claim Wenger is in the same league as Klopp then you're completely delusional. I wonder how much evidence and over how long a period you'll require before realising the realities?
Everything remains to be seen. Over and over and over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
That about sums it up. Classic Wenger.Quote:
Wenger first encountered Yaya Touré when the player was 15 and based at Beveren in Belgium. “[Emmanuel] Eboué and Gervinho played there as well. Yaya Touré is a top-class player. We knew that at the time.
Interesting he thought Yaya was average and yet was it NQ who said he was the one of the two brothers we should have signed based on their performance on that day (sounds like bitter words by Wenger to me).Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I agree he didn't rate him and clearly, he had other opportunities to get him and never did, would have been a perfect fit for us.
:lol: So let me get this straight, he signed Kolo Toure, signed Eboue, signed Gervinho but failed to sign the most talented player of the lot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Pretty odd decision to me.
How do you things would have turned out if we signed Yaya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
He'd have probably played him on the wing and after years of being in and out of the team sold him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Probably would have done better in the league in the immediate aftermath of Vieira leavingQuote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I actually think a player like that could have won us one more league title
2007/2008 for me that was a year where we clearly should have won the title, lost three games all season just drew too many.
As Zim said. We have no idea where Wenger would have played Toure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
We've had far more resources than Pool have had and they started at a much lower point (constant 5/6/7th finishes) than us. Klopp's improved them in a much more competitive environment than what Wenger had to face when he first started into serious top four contenders at the very least whereas as HCZ says, our current trajectory is heading towards where Pool used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Klopp's done far more with far less than Wenger has. As HCZ and the others have said it's not even debatable anymore. Purely on the football side of things, Wenger is currently the worst out of the top six managers and top seven if you include Koeman because I think he'd do a better job than Wenger has tbh. They may not be able to run an entire massive "organisation" like Wenger does, but they don't have to as they have enough trust in either a DoF or their highers up to do that.
God knows when you're going to get a manager like Klopp available again, so it makes us passing up him when he was available all that more irritating. In terms of footballing vision and longevity/loyalty towards a club, he was the closest Wenger replacement available.
That season still annoys me, we were so consistent but we just ran out of gas in the end. We still had a chance to recover from the Birmingham disaster but losing at Chelsea and United finished us off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I'd forgotten about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
My bad.
The deluded idiot is now saying that Alexis might sign a new deal with Arsenal.
Alexis would have to be completely fucking stupid to do that, which surely he isn't.
I hope Alexis leaves in January and leaves Wenger/Arsenal (same thing) high and dry and he signs no-one in winter transfer window.
Losing lots of games before and after that will hopefully get that idiot out next summer.
tbh I can easily see Alexis & Ozil signing Suarez type deals for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
As the folks of the Arsenal Vision pod were saying it makes perfect sense for everyone.
They immediately double their wages for the final year of their contract and we put a reasonable release clause that means we at least recuperate some if not all the initial outlay we made on them. Plus their agents get a cut of the deal, both our one and the future transfer so they'll be happy with it that as well.
It's a win win for every party tbh.
He should probably avoid talking about Sanchez and his contract if he wants to keep everyone focused. We're in a situation where we have to deal with speculation but no need for Wenger to generate more headlines than necessary. Next step is for the press to ask Sanchez if he's going to sign a new deal. How is he supposed to answer that honestly and not have fans on his back or call for him to be benched if he doesn't give the correct answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Wenger needs to stop the public pressure game, grow some balls and talk to his players face to face and not through the press.
why stop at the top 6-7?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
i'd say probably any other manager in the PL and a few in the Championship could do a better job as manager - after all how much brilliance and experience does it take to say 'hey Bellerin, you're a right back - you go and play at right back'?
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Not really. If the future buying club doesn't have to pay a transfer fee they can pay higher wages and bonuses and over a longer period than the one year increase we could offer. It actually makes no sense at all for the player and the agent. They'd be doing the club a favour, which in Alexis' case would a favour in return for the transfer window fuck up? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Not really. If he takes a massive pay rise for a year with the guarantee to sell him next year if he wants to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by dostoy
Very much what Liverpool did with Suarez.
However I don't see Sanchez agreeing
I would not do anything to jeopardize leaving Arsenal if I was him.
He can get a massive signing on fee and massive wages when he does go.
He does not deserve to have to play with, and be managed by, the idiots he is now.
Suarez had a few years to run on his deal though, so nothing lost for him as he wasn't going on a free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
For Sanchez though if he signs a contract we get a bigger fee and that will come directly out of his potential earning/signing on fee.
Makes no sense for the sake of a year, he earns enough already to get by.
Depends on whether the theoretical signing bonus would be higher than the additional wages he'd be guaranteed by signing again for us. And whether there are enough decent big clubs in for him which would allow him to demand a decent signing on bonus in the first place. It was widely reported that Bayern were put off by Alexis' ridiculous wage demands and even PSG blinked at them - not to mention now with Neymar they don't need him either now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If it's just the Gypos in for him them then he's not going to get a substantial signing on bonus and it may make more financial sense for him to sign on for us, albeit without a extoroniate release clause so he can leave if he really wants to.
At any rate, I think Ozil would be easier to tie down in this manner as there are clearly less clubs interested him but all this is predicated on our negotiation team of Dick Law & his cronies being smart & innovative to suggest at thing when in reality we know they're a bunch of incompetents.
It would be good for Arsenal if Ozil did leave, he is the biggest fairy of them all.
The only real bargaining chip we are left with is whether he starts or not, and even that's tenuous because look how shit we are at the moment. We can hardly do without him. But, if he's not playing well he's no loss. So the real win-win situation is for him to give 100%, no matter how bizarre or pointless the season turns out to be. That way he stays in the shop window and we aren't an even bigger pile of shit. Other than that, Alexis has no real need to engage with us. He left this summer and it was mutual considering Wenger lied as usual and tried to flog him at the last minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I suppose the gypos will be back in January, so there's that hurdle. And next summer's transfer window will be an absolute farce now PL clubs have to stop buying early but remain subject to bids from abroad. The old fool Wenger will lose key players but has even less time to replace them. It's another slo-mo shipwreck in progress.
Dick Law is leaving.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...er-negotiator/
Bye.
That was decided last year I think. But it took them a while to get the paperwork through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He let his own contract run down after failing to agree an extension with himself last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Mrs Law asked for a 20k signing on fee which Wenger refused to payQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Done an awful job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Thanks for coming, bon voyage :wave:
Tough negotiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
After a while he stopped returning his own phone calls
Alexis putting himself at risk and getting a serious injury will jeopardise a summer move. Giving a 100% won't help him. He's already in the shop window and will attract bids from all the top clubs. A serious injury would put him at a disadvantage and I'm sure his agent is telling him the same thing. He's all good as long as he stays fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The football world is fickle though so it is in his interest to be reminding people of the height of his talents to be at the forefront of the necessary clubs' minds. That way he is more likely to have his pick....unless of course he literally wants to be anywhere but here!
The other alternative is to have a gentleman's agreement with a club rep now that he will sign for them and keep it quiet. He could literally do that with Guardiola over tea on trust....
Sounds like that may have already happened. The January bid will be supposedly 20 million or they'll wait until the summer. Wouldn't it be crazy if we accepted that January offer? Passing up 60 million to keep him here, claiming our transfer budget had to include next summer's losses if he walks on a free, claiming we need him here for a title challenge. Then letting him go in January for a third of the fee. That would be so us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Not that fickle. I highly doubt clubs will back off making a bid for someone like Alexis that will be available on a free transfer. He's free to speak to whoever he wants when he has less than 6 months on his contract. Memories aren't that short. Plus, it's a World Cup year. If Chile qualify, he has another chance to show his worth. We're at a disadvantage and just have to hope he gives his all for every game he plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I actually thought you were OTT with what you suggested we should be offering for Lemar early in the summer.....then we go and offer 92 ,Illinois for him on the last day! If you think he's worth that just offer more than you did sooner FFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn