Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.
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Because I want the messageboard to restore a bit of balance and actually debate things rather than being utterly blinded by all this bile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's ridiculous and I'm far from the only person who is sick of it.
That's going to be difficult under the current regime, the general vibe on here right now is similar to many Arsenal Messageboards, what do you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I do get where you are coming from with wanting balanced debates but I stand by what I said above.
"He should be sacked", is just your safety valve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
He desperately needs a right hand man that will tell him what he needs to hear and somehow make him hear it. But if even a legend like Henry gets booted for making the mildest observations then there's no real prospect of that. Xhaka's a very good player, but you can see so clearly why he has been brought in and why Wenger coveted him. He's ideal for Wenger's preferred system. We're probably seeing the best football we'll see all season during the pre-season. The kids were given a bit of license to play their game and it was fun to watch. But all that will tighten up come season kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
What balance? It's a one way street. Cash in, excuses out. Season after season. Where's the balance? You have a message board that reflects the reality. But you want one that reflects fantasy, an even mix of the bad that's gripped the club and seeped into every corner and the good that... remind me, what's the good bit we need to dedicate 50% of our time to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Great. He's right. Now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by bignev
I expect people to be rational, at least. Especially in the close season when there's no heat of the moment anger which is understandable just after a poor result.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Find more people to post on GW if you want more balance. Engage with other posters that make points about transfers and other topics if you're trying to encourage different discussions. Right now all you're doing is feeding into the nonsense. Other posters who are sick of it can speak for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Now how about a bit of sensible debate rather than an endless moanathon. Is that too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Think of it this way, if Higuain at 29 in the 4 or 5th best league in Europe can go for £75m, what is Aubameyang at a younger age and proven at in a better league going to go for? Inter Milan are turning away bids for Icardi and saying not for sale. Juventus bought Dybala last season and won't be selling him at all. Morata at £50m+ is absurd. Strikers that can score are being clung onto because replacing them is extortionate and far from easy given the midfield heavy environment. The only reason I'm concerned about us paying £60/70m for someone unproven is the impact that would have on other areas of the team we could strengthen. Whether we can or should go into debt because of transfers doesn't matter because we all know the policy of our club; spend what we have. £100m could be spent in a window by ourselves without causing us hassle I think (based on our accounts) and nearly all of that would come from one striker. When we need a defender and a wide player too. We could sell on one or two like Theo, Ox etc but even the journalists can't be bothered to make up stories about that - no-one wants them it seems. I'm just trying to think things through realistically taking into account the money we would and could spend, against current market values and who actually would be for sale. The list really isn't that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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Originally Posted by Letters
You hardly ever chime in for any other debate unless NQ and Zim have said something about Wenger. You're not helping.
That's one less rumour to worry about.Quote:
"Arsenal have not come back [with another offer] and they will not come back," Aulas told L'Equipe. "No one will leave OL, except for Rachid Ghezzal if he has an offer, which I doubt."
Not too fussed, he looks a bit average to me.
Looked good to me and his goal record has been consistently good, it's looking more and more likely that we'll end up with noone or worse still some inconsistent nobody we'll be stuck with for years like we have been in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Exactly as it stands this football club is turning into some horrible business, that doesn't give a damn about the fans, that spends the minimum possible and which views success on the pitch way down the list of priorities, we're basically profit maximisers with zero incentive to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
It's not just the lack of success either, it's the day to day nonsense we have to put up with as well as the fact the club is devoid of any excitement or unpredictability, I honesly think pound for pound it's really one of the worst clubs around now for value for money, the fans put a lot in and get very little out.
Spot on, there's still some people who just can't see the truth, it amazes me, this club treats it's fans terribly, in fact I don't know many if any other clubs that treats fans the way it does and gets away with it, yes we got 2nd place, so what? Our football is boring, we make the same mistakes every season, have the same problems with transfers every season, have loads of injuries every season and collapse lke a house of cards when the pressure is on to win the big prizes in the same way every single season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Joke of a club right now and a shadow of what this great club use to stand for and yes Wenger takes a lot of the blame for that as well as his other cronies as he's been heavily involved in creating this.
I'd really like to know what's good about this club as a football club right now, apart from the fact we're rolling in it that is, because that's an irrelevance really as it's not re-invested.
Lyon expect no more Lacazette bids - SSN
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Mahrez apparently staying at Leicester
A few papers reporting it and those in leicester
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Can't even react to this stuff
It's just inevitable.
2 weeks to go, shockingly short again.
The club is done for the time being. With the way it is being run, I feel nothing for it anymore.
Get Varane in, Fekir if we wAnt to be cheap and a bloody forward. Just any forward will do at this point!
Apparently Utd have banked £76mill in Ibrahimovich shirt sales in one week. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the claim. If true then Ibrahimovich is effectively free and it's demonstration of how thinking big and going big can be cheaper than being a skinflint, plus of course you get an energised fan base and one investment feeds on another until the process becomes self funding. I wonder how much of Pogba's fee will be covered in the same way?
Meanwhile, Sanogo, Welbeck, Giroud and Theo shirts sales. Anyone know how they are doing?
Yeah I saw that too. I imagine adidas take the majority, but then again, that's why adidas pay United a ton. Far trumps our shit Puma deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'd burn Walcott and Sanogo's shirt (good guy, but has no business even being in our squad)
Last time we had genuine buzz was for Ozil. Those pictures of all the fans in Ozil shirts were all over the place.
If Wenger put another £27m for Higuain in the same Summer, we'd have won the league 2 times by now
I dont think we sell that many shirts if you combined our entire squad :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Here's a rumour: Begiristain (too easy) Pep's old Barca buddy over at City, doesn't want to go above the £40m he values John Stones at, while Everton want £50m. Can't be true though because it doesn't involve Arsenal or our manager. What confuses me is that it exists online via some shitty journalist. Usually that would make it true. Weird. We're usually the only ones that place a value on a player. Every other club doesn't know how to negotiate and instead launches a barrage of unmarked cash at its target cuz dats how fings werk. And yet yesterday this was 207% guaranteed to happen. Who know eh?
Are we now pretending Arsenal is just like any other club when it comes to transfers, just because the chavs have paused to consider a fee? The fact they are even entertaining a 40 mill bid for a player as limited as Stones shows the fundamental difference. Doesn't tell us if it's a good or bad difference, but it does dispel the fanciful notion that other clubs are somehow like Arsenal and Wenger when it comes to parting with cash. Plainly that's not true.
There's no way they banked 76 mill in shirt sales profit in a week.
Of course not. 90% of any shirt sold goes to the manufacturer and Utd probably don't even get that 10% because of the £75m they got up front from Adidas. They're probably on a deal where they recieve money after a certain amount have been sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Yeah I'm 99% certain that 76 million Ibrahamovic shirt sales figure is pure BS, probably made up by some Man Utd fan to try and justify the extortionate deal they gave Zlatan. Would like to see the sourcing for that ..... I bet it's some random guy on a Manc forum.
I mean assuming ~£60 a shirt, you need to sell roughly 1.25 million of them. I'm not sure if they've sold that many new official shirts period, let alone ones with Zlatan's name on the back. Sure Man Utd do have a lot of fans around the globe (like us) but out of the fraction that buy apparel, only an even smaller fraction buy official merchandise (i.e. the ones in prosperous nations like England, USA, Japan etc who can afford £60 for a shirt). If you go to places like the Far East, Africa etc etc it's all mainly fake shirts which don't give any net financial benefit to the club or it's sponsors.
Other news, Athletico sign Gramerio (who's 29) for 28 million. Madness and shows you the price of strikers these days. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we could get 40 million for Giroud if PSG suddenly wanted him.
So they only took £7.6 mill in shirt sales for one player this week? And it could get worse if more sales are made next week. Could be a double whammy if fans start getting excited about Pogba too. With all their deals and the huge amounts they are raking in across the board, these huge fees aren't a problem for them. But they didn't get there via a sugardaddy, they are heavily in debt and leveraged up to the eyeballs. Which makes no difference whatsoever in the crazy world of football. This sustainability bullshit we've conveniently (for some) subjected ourselves to is an entirely unnecessary handicap that hits the success of the club on so many levels. We may think we are doing well commercially, but we could be doing a lot better if we speculated to accumulate, if we created a bit of a buzz around the place.
Arsenal actually does sell quite a lot of shirts, apparently. 2 million compared to Utd's 3 million. That's 2 million suckers right there. Highest prices, fuck all back from the club and they are buying 2 million shirts. Stan and the gang must literally be crying with laughter. Maybe if Stan turns up on opening day and goes around pissing in the fans' faces we could see those sales go higher.
Apparently Wenger is preparing another lowball bid for Lacazette. That should waste another week at least. We're getting close, just a few more days until this damned transfer window slams shut and the wallet is safe for another year. £35mill this time, supposedly. And yes, it's a media source so it's smoke, but we know there's fire too after Lyon made their announcement last week. If we were serious about getting this guy, and considering Troy Deeney is a £30mill+ striker (okay so that's a joke but this is where the market is now), we should stick in a £40mill bid and force the issue. Stop fucking around.
Ben Yedder moving to Sevilla
FFS. Wanted him.
The Telegraph say he wants to join us tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
FFS, if we want him ( we do ), get it done
Gameiro is much better than Giroud, he's worth 28 million that's not a lot in todays market.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Lacazette is looking like the only option left for us, if we mess that up our only options will be nobodies who can't score goals like we've had for the last 4-5 years.
The spending has been a little modest on the whole considering the money available in the prem and the displays of the top clubs lasts season.
We thought Guardiola might go nuts but its not really happened, so it will be interesting to see how this season goes.
We are left hoping, one or two surprise us, ie, Walcott, Chamberlain, Campbell, Iwobi so for our sake I sincerely hope it happens.
I come on here every few days to see if we have signed anyone, and still nothing.
We are really running out of options now. Whatever Wenger says about nothing happening until the end of the window (which is utter shit, because there are transfers going on all over) we need something now, before the season starts.
Without it becoming a `wengers a twat` thing, do we actually believe we will get anyone, I mean are they really, really trying? I would say at the very very least we need a striker and a central defender. I am very nervous of starting a season without these two. Personally I feel its already too late for them to form a decent understanding by the start of the season.
My head is saying we are not getting anyone, and its going to be an `internal solutions` thing, Theo playing up top at the start of the season. as for CB, well I dont know...
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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
That's where I'm at. If we don't sign anyone, I'm hoping the players you mention step up or we see something different to get excited about.
Stop moaning so much and lets have some sensible debate? :blah::blah::blah:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory