he would be able to command more than the 10 million a year salary on the open market versus negotiating with one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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he would be able to command more than the 10 million a year salary on the open market versus negotiating with one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
How's his "slight" injury coming along I wonder?Quote:
Arsenal are set to listen to offers for Mesut Ozil in January to avoid losing him for nothing.
The development opens the door for Inter Milan to swoop for the Germany international during the winter transfer window after club chief Erick Thohir admitted the Italians were 'definitely' interested in the playmaker.
Anyway, this is the ideal situation, as well we know. Who will we replace him with? Could it be somebody called Jack Wilshere?
I think it's kind of obvious that Ozil's not really injured ....... and tbh good on the club and Wenger. I've been calling on Wenger & Gazidis to be tougher on that shitlord for ages now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And the noise coming from those ITK was that the club legitimately tried to flog Ozil this summer but there were no interested parties. No one was willing to pay a fee, even a reduced one, for him which is indicative how underwhelming he's been for us all things considered. So I don't see why we're going suddenly going to get a plethora of takers with six months left before he's available on a free.
It'll be Iwobi/Welbeck mainly though I honestly wouldn't mind giving Jack time in Ozil's position for the rest of the season ..... albeit they were absolute filth, he did look reasonably sharp offensively against Bate Borisolv offensively .... but this has to be predicated on him committing his future to us. I'm sick of enabling players to whittle down contracts by refusing to be ruthless with them. Want serious game time Jack ..... well then sign a contract.
And any rate given Jack's injury history, new contract or not we can't rely on him as a long term solution - so I think a replacement is essential in the summer ..... probably Draxler assuming he's not content to waste his career rotting on the PSG bench being a spectator to Mbappe, Neymar and Alexis (yes I think he's going there).
We're going to lose Ozil and Sanchez but in truth I'm not as fussed as I should be, these two would be great in a quality team that can utilise their talents but in our team the reality is they're a long way from their best, we've got a number of players just getting ready to walk away from the club so in reality they don't really care too much about results.
I'm about as indifferent about any of our players leaving as I've even been, the truth is that players can come and go but until the manager changes it won't matter, whoever we sign won't elevate us to be challengers, the fact I feel so indifferent about two of our best players leaving just shows how underwhelming this team is, even the star players don't really fill me with excitement, because well, the club is so stale.
I don't really care where we come in the league right now, because the reality is we're just papering over the cracks, whatever we achieve we always know it's the bare minimum to keep Wenger in the job and the fans content.
I saw on AFTV they asked why there's no atmosphere at our place, whereas the atmosphere at clubs like PSG (who also have a lot of new fans and foreign fans) is rocking, simple answer, PSG and other big clubs generate excitement for their fans, we are the kings of boredom, nothing changes, it's the same repetitive rubbish year on year for as long as I can remember. Who can really remain optimistic when you have that every year, this club is very unique, the only big club in the world where, the bare minimum is acceptable and where achievements and fan statifaction doesn't matter at all.
This recent run of wins really means little, average performances, scraping wins just as we have been doing for years, no champagne football, no putting teams to the sword, it's all so predictable. What fans want to see if big wins like the Manchester clubs (and Spurs) are delivering, something that shows you're not just churning out narrow wins every game and genuinely look like a good side.
The replacement will be nobody, or at least nobody that's useful, because once Ozil and Alexis are out the door the final nail in the coffin in terms of our ability to attract quality players will have been driven home. Kroenke and Wenger have relentlessly reduced the status of this club and, unless Wenger does the decent thing, we'll continue sinking deeper down the order as a destination for genuine quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
One silver lining as we watch our stars fade out, Wenger's position as the top earner at the club will be secured. That's a very good thing indeed. The most important thing I think.
Very important point, this club doesn't give a flying fuck about entertaining the fans. In fact Wenger goes out of his way to stamp out all traces of entertainment. Wouldn't be surprised if he drops Alexis for giving the fans something to watch in the second half against Brighton. I like the way he subbed Lacazette when he was on a hattrick a couple of weeks back. I was really nervous there for a moment that we might see something interesting and the player might pick up a bit of confidence, but Wenger acted swiftly and I was grateful for that. I liked it against Brighton when we had finally developed a bit of control and were starting to play watchable football, in spurts at least. Again, Wenger was on the case and rolled out Bif, Theo and Elneny. Slightly overkill if you ask me, Bif alone would have been enough to eliminate the momentum. But better safe than entertained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Ozil to United is doing the rounds again.
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A media thing I suspect. Maureen and Ozil reunited . It writes itself and must be irresistible to fat, lazy journalists. There seems to be some substance to Inter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But Ozil is lazy and ineffective. Why would they want him?
Ian Wright says Sean Dyche is the man to replace Wenger.
The man is full of odd decisions, when there's an obvious logical choice to make, he does the opposite, it's almost as if he does it on purpose, just as he seems to do when there's an obvious choice with signings, he does the opposite to try and prove people wrong, very odd man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
They seemed to be a little unsure why someone like Ancelotti might be chosen ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
What does Ancelotti know about the premier League?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Will be interesting to see where he ends up next summer. I can see a possible move to Utd because he’s played under Jose before and he knows his potential. Will he be able to command £300k? We’ll soon see. One of the most underwhelming players I’ve seen here at Arsenal. I’ve seen endless excuses as to why he’s not performing and he’s absolutely taken the piss whilst here and managed to avoid any sort of criticism. The true Wizard of Oz. We’ll see if anyone else is willing to buy the disappearing act.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Didn’t that guy take Hull down?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Merse woz rite
He did the league a favour tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I suppose they might take a gamble on the whole Ozil is Awful (All Rights Reserved) media campaign suddenly transforming into Ozil is Wonderful (Patent Pending) if he moves there. Big risk if you ask me. I'd rate the chances of that happening as no higher than 100% at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Honestly could not give a feck if ozil left. In fact I think we'd be a far far better team without him, especially if we replaced him with an energetic, pressing AM, so I favour him going.
Sanchez I'd be gutted. But not borderline depressed like a few years ago because we're used to players leaving now and I understand his frustration. Hopefully we do a swap deal in Jan to get a top class replacement. Draxler would be good.
United have stacks of money to burn and he's available on a free so I can him getting that wage there. Plus, for as underwhelming as he's been on the pitch for us, he's a very marketable player off it ....... I think we and Puma have made stacks of money out of Ozil shirt sales around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
He'll probably put in a few top tier performances at the start because Mourinho will force him to before eventually reverting to type and the United fans will get the same Ozil that we've had: the talent to be majestical on his day but doesn't have the application to influence games enough on a consistent basis. Plus he'll be 29 in a couple of weeks so he approaching the tail end of his career now.
I'm not sure some people are getting what it means when our two star players walk out on a free. This is incompetence on a level never seen before at a top club. The net result will be catastrophic. No players of significance will want to come here from that point forward, not unless they see us as a stepping stone to the real deal and basically arrive and do another Ozil/ Alexis.
Between them, Kroenke and Wenger have completely fucked the club. Yes, they are surfing the inertia of its earnings potential and yes, they may have a get out of jail card available in the shape of a new Euro super league. But if that league doesn't materialise we are done as a top flight club. We are done regardless in terms of what we can do on the pitch, but if we don't get a shoo-in to a Euro league then we're done on the perception front too and that's the only thing that has been keeping us alive.
It's amazing we haven't paid our two star players what they want. Fucking criminal. Can you imagine this team without Ozil and Alexis. Evidently some can, but sure as hell they are judging things on media ramblings rather than the hard facts. You really want Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere in his current state to be the real big things at Arsenal FC? Enjoy yourselves if that's what you want. Plenty won't and will be heading for the exits instead.
We're watching a dying club here.
I'd get Dyche in tomorrow if I thought it would make a blind bit of difference. Obviously he's a far superior manager to Wenger, but then again, so am I. So it's not saying much. But at least he'd play players in their proper positions and prepare for the opponent. He'd drill the defence and introduce a bit of discipline. How do we know that for sure? Because there's only one manage in world football who doesn't do those most basics of basics, and the cunt is here at our club pulling down millions for his incompetence. But sure, why not, Dyche would be an immediate improvement. Look at the last 10 years at Arsenal and if you deny this basic truth you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
But the reason we shouldn't go for Dyche is we still have enough credibility as a club to do better. Yes, Dyche is a far superior manager to Wenger. No, he's not good enough for Arsenal Football Club. What a fucking mess we are in.
And no matter what, the cunt Wenger isn't leaving. And even if the cunt did leave, we still have Kroenke at the helm.
It all seems pretty hopeless to me. There doesn't seem to be a way out of this while the club suffers these two cunts hanging on for grim life.
Let's think this one through, just to demonstrate how earth-shatteringly incompetent Wenger is.Quote:
Arsenal are prepared to swap star forward Alexis Sanchez for PSG attacker Julian Draxler in a remarkable January transfer.
Sanchez is out of contract next summer and seems ill-inclined to sign a new deal with the Gunners.
He was keen on a summer move to Manchester City, however a deadline day £60m transfer fell through when Arsenal were unable to bring in Monaco's Thomas Lemar as a replacement.
A couple of years back Draxler was available for 32 mill. L'Moron said, yes, yes, we looked at Draxler. But no bid. It would have cost 32 mill to bring Draxler into a team with Ozil and Alexis still on contract. It would have displayed some ambition, some intent. It might have given the signals our better players are looking for today and have looked for in the past that this club has an ounce of desire to compete. Fabregas wanted to see it. RvC wanted to see it. Alexis wanted to see it but realised the harsh truth, to the extent he refused 300kpw just to get out of here. But had we spent 32 mill bringing Draxler in and then arrived at this summer window and brought in Lemar in addition to Lacazette, what would the team look like now and what would Ozil's and Alexis' attitudes be?
Instead, here's what the moron has done. Blown 90 mill in a single window on journeymen rather than sign Draxler. Expertly steered the team out of the CL. Dithered while our stars ran down their contracts. Sat with his finger up his shithole instead of putting the money on the table for Lemar. So now, instead of supplementing Alexis with Draxler, we're supposedly talking about a swap deal. A deal that will surely see us paying PSG, because Alexis' contract has "ideally" run down. And we'll have to convince Draxler to come here, not to join Alexis and Ozil on the pitch, but as they are both walking out the door.
Better still, the team won't have advanced one jot and, if anything, we'll have taken another step backwards.
This fucking moron supposedly in charge couldn't build a team if Arsenal was the only club in football. He'd still fuck it up. How can anyone believe this man has a clue what he's doing? Just how bad does it have to get before the stark bollock naked Emperor Wenger gets called out for what he is?
All the worst fears are coming true. A couple of years back people were talking about damage limitation, hoping that by keeping this shit on the damage he would inevitably do would not prove terminal. Some said don't give him any money. Too right when you see how he spent that 90 mill.
This Alexis/ Draxler story comes from the Daily Star, so obviously there's not a grain of truth to it. And besides, Alexis can do whatever the fuck he wants in January and Wenger has no say in it. But it got me thinking how we could have managed transfers over the last few seasons and how this incompetent old goat keeps banging on about finding the qualiteeeee when it keeps on parading right under his nose. Vidal, Draxler. Alexis, Ozil, Lacazette, Lemar - this was very, very possible, eminently doable, and it probably would have cost roughly the same or maybe just a bit more as the amount he's blown on shite.
And then there was the one about him refusing to pay 7 mill to an agent to arrange the transfer of that kid on a free. What was his name?
Mbappe.
Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Weirdly enough I had this chat with a friend the other night who said losing Ozil would be worse than when we lost RVP. Of course I told him he was talking absolute bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I think even Vieira and Cesc were bigger losses than Ozil would prove to be. These players all had significant and tangible effects on the team at their point of departure, they weren't just a cog in the wheel, they were the wheel. Ozil is supremely talented but he needs to go and play for a more demanding manager and with better players. He's not good enough to pick us up from the doldrums.
Alexis on the other hand, that explosiveness will be near enough impossible to replace unless we break the bank. The kind of player who can light up a drab game and be the difference.
I don't think losing Ozil will weaken us significantly, he's not in the same category as Vieira, Cesc or RVP in terms of his contribution and influence on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
From the point of view ambition it's going to look really bad Ozil and Sanchez walking out the door for free.
What makes things even worse is they look likely to both leave for our supposed rivals in Man City and Man United.
Next summer is going to be an absolute bloodbath, no amount of wriggling will get Wenger out of this mess and he better be ambitious in the market otherwise things are going to get really really ugly.
Okay, leaving aside the disastrous and crucially important "politics" of it all, you're comparing apples, oranges and elephants. Don't worry about Vieira, his loss was massive and probably the most unrecoverable loss we have suffered so far. That ridiculous idiot Wenger hasn't replaced him to this day - and bear that in mind when we talk about Ozil and Alexis. The old goat has only just managed to bring a decent striker in and that wouldn't have happened were it not for a fortuitous, from our point of view, transfer ban. But forget Vieira, he was a central figure and a winner in a winning team. We can't compare his situation to the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Cesc and RvC, these were important players in a declining team. We couldn't afford to lose them not just because of their talent but because the old goat had dumped the whole team on their backs and asked them to carry it. They were his get out of retirement free card during a time when the club had no ambition whatsoever to supplement their talents with additional personal. In truth, both these players wasted big chunks of their careers by being around Wenger. There was nothing for them at Arsenal, and of course they both had to leave. Wenger will say he had the whole stadium matter holding him back, but time has told us his excuses are bullshit. He's just a shitty manager, finances or no finances.
Ozil and Alexis joined the club as we were supposed to be emerging from our financial constraints and into direct competition with the likes of Bayern - you know, that German lot who keep beating us 10-2. Ozil and Alexis leaving represents the still birth of this brave new ambition (or lie if you prefer the truth) the fans bought in return for the most expensive prices in world football. When they leave, that's it. We've been through the whole stadium thing and we'll come out the other end with Theo Walcott to show for it.
People can be concerned with media stories about Ozil being unproductive, and they are despite the facts flying in the face of the "journalists'" fairytales. But let's pretend Ozil is lazy, and let's pretend he wants a free ride and all that other good stuff that Arsenal fans buy into when it is served up by pie eaters who have a traditional hatred of this club stemming back to the days when we used to compete with their precious Utd. Fine, get rid of Ozil then. Bye. The fans don't seem so keen to part with Alexis though. So let's do everything we can to keep him, and we can play Elneny and Walcott and Xhaka alongside him so he can be super effective. Happy days. Who needs Ozil when you have such an array of world class talent to help leverage the industry of Alexis. Carrying on the pretence, Elneny will give us more than the German World Cup winner (who seems to do rather well when he plays in an organised German national team). Hell, let's bring Jack back and he can do the business too. I can't see anything that could go wrong with this plan, even though there may be some who say wait, haven't we been here over and over and over again?
Second tier masquerading as top tier, that's Wenger's speciality. And now we can see the real similarity between RvC, Cesc and Ozil. Wenger can't hold on to his top players. That's what they all have in common. And he can't do it because he insists on surrounding those players with shite. And he does that because he won't commit in the transfer window, he won't deliver on the post-stadium promises. And even when he does spend, he doesn't know how to do it properly and we end up with another batch of second tier goods.
It's a pretty pointless conversation now, as both players are certainly leaving. And on their own terms. What a fuck up. And it really doesn't matter a damn what happens on the pitch because everyone already knows the fine details about that. Our second tier team that Wenger refuses to build upon will hover around behind the genuine contenders, never getting within a realistic sniff of the big prizes. Here we go again, another reset and another squad in transition. Transition is Wenger's addiction. He's always in transit because he doesn't have a clue what the destination looks like or how to get there.
When Ozil signed it should have been the start of what the fans were promised. When Alexis signed it started to look like maybe, perhaps these promises were being filled. And then the moron in chief reverted to type, he halted in his tracks, reversed and took us back to where he's most comfortable. Mediocrity.
I expect this from Wenger because he's a shit. What I didn't expect was so many fans gloating at the club's slow and sorry demise. Oh yes, get rid of Ozil. Get him out. Because we'll definitely sign a better player to replace him. Won't we? And we'll surely sign a few more and really start building a competitive squad, won't we? Just look at all the evidence that supports this happy outcome as we cut of our noses to spite our faces and go around the loop one more time in the hope Wenger will finally do his job.
Personally I wouldn't care if Ozil took a sleeping bag onto the pitch. With Wenger in charge, what goes on on the pitch is irrelevant. We all know the final outcome. There's no surprises and no progress. The only hope, if we must suffer Wenger, is to have enough quality (real quality, not Wenger's version of it) in the squad and on the pitch so the deficits of Wenger can be countered and overcome. Hell, that's a LOT of quality we need.
But instead we are watching Ozil and Alexis walk out the door.
Around we go again.
Maybe you haven't heard - but the situation is "ideal".Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
And, as well you know, we almost signed Mbappe and Lemar.
Mbappe is our top target, we're putting all our efforts into signing him and we're very close, we just need Jupiter, Mars, Venus, the Moon and Earth to be perfectly aligned and exactly 100kms away from each other, once that's in place he's ours, shouldn't be long we're only 2% away apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You're spot on and as for Vieira, totally agree the beginning of the end for us when we sold a player with still a lot to offer for peanuts to another big club because Wenger thought he was being smart, in the processing changing everything good about the team, one of the worst decisions in football to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Ozil has less around him making use of his qualities than those before him did and so his absence will be less felt. This team without him and Sanchez is a horrible prospect....make no mistake. Forget the Chelsea game. That wouldn't keep up for a season.
Van Persie had far less to work with. In his best seasons he was getting assists from Song and Walcott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I really disagree with Ozil not having enough to work with. Cesc had to play games with Denilson sitting behind him as our DM! Toure and Gallas behind in defence or maybe Senderos and Djourou along with Almunia in goal.
Reagrdless of how bad the team is, nothing has me questioning Sanchez's ability as a player.
This is backwards thinking surely? We won't "miss" a player as much if he goes? We should be asking who else we need to add in order to get the best team possible on the pitch and competing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We produced better football with a squad of players most of us would deem inferior to what we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
That is the reality yes. I'm not saying we should get rid! But clearly he wants out and I don't totally blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's just it.....Song and Walcott were excellent assist providers in that season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Cesc had Adebayor at his best and first came into it when we were still a great side. Ozil has been useful when other quality players have been there to capitalise like Sanchez but running around with the immobility of Giroud and blunt instrument of Welbeck and whoever else has not flatttered his talents to its utmost best.
Ozil's best season was when Giroud was up front. Whether it be Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck or even Lacazette this season, we've never seen it make a remarkable difference on his game. We've had games where it's Sanchez, Welbeck, Ox, Walcott or Iwobi and that makes no difference to Ozil's game. Not to mention Ramsey constantly bombing forwards to get on the end of a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Sanchez doesn't have that problem in terms of passing and creating chances. Last season he was one assist away from equaling Ozil's record here at Arsenal to go along with the 30 goals he scored.
Adebayor was just as wasteful as Welbeck but we created more clear cut chances for Ade. It's not as if Ozil has nobody to work with at all. Theo scored 19 last season, Sanchez is a goal scorer, Giroud has probably benefited more from an Ozil pass compared to the rest. Ramsey can score goals. There is no way this team man for man is worse than what we had to work with in the past. I haven't even mentioned Cazorla or takes the burden away from Ozil even having to worry about collecting the ball from defence and recycling possession from deep. He has a had a role where he can totally focus on being in the attacking third and creating chances.
Yes, I know. It's all quite bizarre. It's a reverse conversation where it has to be assumed the ideal position is the exact opposite of what is being advocated in order to account for the upside-down world of Kroenke and Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
So yes, Ozil should go because we can't use his particular abilities to advantage in a squad that is in steady decline. And yes, we know it's bad for the top players to be heading out, but Wenger has made it all irrelevant anyway, first by allowing the "ideal" run down of contracts and, secondly, because he'll never build a coherent, stable and ambitious team anyway.
This is like a particularly complicated episode of that soap called Soap. Confused? You soon will be.
Sounds like we could cash in on Sanchez and/or Ozil in January. Too little too late, should have either signed them up or sold them in summer 2016, we'll get a pittance now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41592531
You knew we'd strive to find the worst possible outcome, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim