that sounds like cognitive dissonanceQuote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
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that sounds like cognitive dissonanceQuote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
We raped them guys, this is a panic buy from them.
Plus he had already started falling off, hes looked toliet since about march, looked spent. Hes run his race as a world class striker. We good.
The day Van Persie publicly showed his discontent at Arsenal was the day Wenger substituted the Ox against Utd when we;d just got ourselves level....at the time we just thought Van Persie was a 'fan' like us, voicing his discontent...but sadly we were mistaken...think that was the day he decided he wouldn't be signing a new contract. If Walcott signs his contract now, the timing will make him look like a hero...wonder if that will happen. Last season the fans turned on Wenger...I am pretty sure that money will be reinvested...we now only have 3 strikers remember and I am not even sure we can count chamakh as the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I highly doubt we'll buy another striker, well certainly not one who compares to Van Persie.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
Interesting take. He is clearly a quality player but last season's exceptional form may have been a one off.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Could be a decent but of business but...dunno, selling our captain and best player to a club who are supposed to be a rival? Doesn't sit well.
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Doesn't necessarily need another striker but if we don't strengthen our attacking options with both rvp and song out then wenger has learnt nothing and we may as well not bother with this season. Buy wisely and I still think this could be a very interesting year for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
i hope that mirallas(sp) to everton story is garbage and we snap him up. Forget van persie now, we need all the cancers out of the club before we can heal...Fuck Em all....If you want out get out!!
To be honest I reckon he knew that day at West Brom he was off. "Whatever happens I will always love this club", not the words of someone who is interested in committing.
why is everyone blaming Van Persie for this?.....footballers are children with just about enough intelligence to tie their shoe laces.....when very stupid people constantly have people whispering in their ear telling them how great they are, how they should be earning more, playing in champions league finals they are going to listen.
This board have a) allowed this situation to come to pass by allowing wenger to deal with contract negotiations
b) shown they are more interested in getting in as much cash as possible instead of letting this player run down his contract and maybe win something with us, with the additions we have made.
Very disappointed by the club for selling our best player to the club directy above us in the league.
All the good work in this window undone.
£24m...we know the club value a title push less than they value that amount. This sucks.
Anyone blaming the club/board for this just isn't thinking.
If RVP doesn't want to stay and sign a new contract then that is his decision and there is nothing the club can do to change his mind.
They've had talks but he still wanted to leave, end of.
Time is short and it's better to get £20+m for him now than let him go on a free.
The money will be reinvested, it's already been said that any buys now will only happen when players are sold.
Van Persie has been with us for 8 seasons and the past 18 months has been his longest injury free period. Would you have given him a new bumper deal 18 months ago not knowing if he'd play more than 10 games in a season??Quote:
This board have a) allowed this situation to come to pass by allowing wenger to deal with contract negotiations
No.
It's not the board or Wenger's fault. We expected a bit of loyalty from him and got none. We offered him massive wages to re-sign but he's not interested.
We are quite rightly selling him. Would you want to hear EVERY SINGLE WEEK about what Robin's going to do next, where he's going to go?? It would create havoc.Quote:
b) shown they are more interested in getting in as much cash as possible instead of letting this player run down his contract and maybe win something with us, with the additions we have made.
This is not the same as last season where we did some mad last minute trolley dash. We have already replaced RVP and signed a second quality striker AND bought a fantastic midfielder.
The player is their shevchenko. The decline of a centre forward is one of the most abrupt and cruel things in sport. Hes shown subtle signs that its not gonna be the same again since march, just like sheva. The move will expose the rest.
He was never going to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Even if he did he wouldn't have given 100% because he didn't want to be here.
If it wasn't utd it would have been citeh, and tbh I hate both clubs as much as the other so fuck them all tbh.
I think the club have done the right thing to some extent, they've got a good price for a player on the cusp of being 30 who has spent 75% of his career on the injury table.
I've never hoped for your wild theories to be true more than this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
to people who say the money will be re-invested....who do you think you are kidding?.
Tbf RVP was shit for the past few months but PHENOMENAL before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
I guess we'll wait and see what happens next - could be Sheva or could be Bergkamp :coffee:
One thing to bear in mind is Arsenal create a lot of chances. By playing one striker up front, ANY striker, they're going to score a lot of goals (well maybe not Park/Chamakh). Even that useless **** Adebayor got 30 goals for us one season.
Chilax, we'll be fine.
have a torres season :pray:
we got 24 million for him? :lol:
take a bow gazadias
For a start, the price is only relevant (From the fans view) if we were going to spend big money. We're not. Don't let a few of our Championship Manager signings fool you. We've done our main business on the buying front. And it was good business. All we needed to do was, for once, stick to our principles and keep this good squad of players until next year. We didn't. Someone came flashing the cash and we just showed ourselves to be the selling club we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Van Persie will decline but at least for the next couple of seasons he'll remain phenomenal. He is an amazing player when fit, no doubt. And we've just handed him to Man Utd. Unbelievable. And yet very believable.
Mr hitler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It's decent money for him butQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
1) It won't be re-invested so it'a moot
2) We sold him to the club who finished above us last year. We sold our most important player, our captain, to a team who we're supposed to be competing with. :doh:
I do think we've made some decent signings but it was going to be hard enough to compete with the top 2 without handing one of them* our best player.
* - not that I'd have cared if he'd gone to City as I can't take anything they achieve seriously.
Gazadias. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
It's really not the case at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
The offers we had for him were well below what we were asking and in the time since juve and citeh pulled out the club have tried to talk him round and get him to stay and he's had none of it.
Utd were the only club left to buy him that would pay what were asking. RVP wanted out.
No point keeping him even if it was to rot in the reserves or sit on the bench for a year. We would never hear the end of his impending move somewhere and how him not being involved was affecting the team, etc.
Situations like that just don't end well, and turn into a cancer. Best thing to do is cut them off.
I back the clubs decision to sell him to wherever for the right price here tbh.
Thing is if you remember bergkamp was unplayable in arsenals double winning season until around the time he missed the penalty in that united semi in 99. After that he was still good but it was really playing from memory, relying on his outrageous technique and vision (above and beyond van persies), but he was no longer than untouchable match winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
He was about the same age as RVP is now.
Relax friends, we will be having the last laugh when he is loaned out to feyanoord in 18 months on susidised wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I'm sure the club would have preferred not to sell him to United but money is the name of the game. The clubs priority is to balance the books, there's no doubt it. We sell to buy, that is well documented and proven every summer. It doesn't matter who the buying club is anymore, we are always ready sell. It's no wonder why our squad gets picked apart by vultures every summer, I'm sure it's well known within the football inner circle that Arsenal will sell if pushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
I remember when Fergie totally blocked Heinze's move to Liverpool, and that was just for a pub teamer so there's no chance they'd ever sell someone to a rival knowing it would improve them, but then their priorities are different to ours.
Now ive got some food in me and ive calmed down, i can post on this sensibly and rationally
Hope this **** dies a horrible death
If we were intent on bringing in someone of the stature of Llorente in place of RVP, I wouldn't be all that bothered. However, as Wenger has already said the money won't be reinvested (probably because Giroud was meant to be the replacement) I think our front-line is not strong enough for the coming season. However, this was always on the cards when finishing fourth became the main priority. Other clubs have gone ahead of us, and this makes it much easier to tempt players to leave. In the past, even if Man Utd came calling, it wouldn't have been that much of an attractive proposition, because we were winning trophies and pushing them all the way. Now that the financial balance sheet has become more important than what happens on the pitch, we're struggling to keep hold of players.
A lot of people were hoping that we'd make fuller use of our resources this summer, not focusing on making net profit in the transfer window but rather replenishing the squad with real quality. Instead, it's clear that despite the fact we've signed some good players, all that good work will be undone because of our obsession with "balancing the books".
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Originally Posted by Ach
You spend 8 years cheering the fucker's name. And for what.
We really are a bunch of mugs, aren't we?
Club can't even help us out by leaking the news out on a Friday or Saturday. Fucking Wednesday night. Can't even drink myself into a coma ffs.
Hear hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
But you can on a friday or a saturday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Im not a drinker so i wouldnt know tbh
Has he updated the fans yet?
Errm.......If i had billions, I will buy arsenal pump money into it so that they are all conquering, unbeateable and amazing to watch! I have no qualms with Abramovich,City's owners etc. If Newcastle's owner was that rich, he'd be doing the same to restore the toons to their heydays. Billionare owner fans are good for the game. It has changed the whole dynamic of the game --- so that if you have tight fuckers like PHW at the helm of things you get shafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I would gladly see us lose 8-2 again to these ****s if it meant we saw RVP taken out by Frimpong or someone whos willing to make a name for themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Fuck no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
He's off on a night out shagging old prozzies with shrek.
That's an unpopular opinion but I agree. I'm not a big fan of RVP, but I can understand players who are probably getting tired playing for a football club that seems to be operating like a business, with the CEO and manager banging on about financial implications, balance sheets, revenue, etc. Football's about more than that. Wenger seemed to understand that, which is why we had such great success from 98-05, but nowadays he sounds more and more like a sycophant for the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
On GW, this only seems to be applied to players, not to the club's so-called owners! For shame!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker