Even if we get past United, we're not stopping the Stevie Me farewell/birthday story tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
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Even if we get past United, we're not stopping the Stevie Me farewell/birthday story tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
The quality of our football has fallen deeper into the shitter and it's hard to believe that was possible following last season's pub antics. We look every bit the English team these days, apart from the odd moment when a bit of football manifests due to the individual abilities of the players, muscle memory I suppose. So it's not a disastrous season, that's stating it too mildly. It's catastrophic and being third has northing to do with it because every team in this league is pub grade shit. Think about it. The chavs and gypos topping the league? Nobody will remember these teams, they are unremarkable. This isn't the Liverpool or Utd or Arsenal of old. It's humiliating to be finish beneath shit like the chavs even if they do have a ton of stolen cash. Chuck in losing to the spuds, gifting Utd a win, pissing it away in the CL when we had a genuine chance to get murdered in the quarters, there's nothing particularly impressive or even mildly interesting going on this season.
I would like to see some decent football. That would do me.
I genuinely think our malaise in terms of quality is just part of the overall lack of quality in general, i think the whole package of the English premiership being sold as the best league in the world is a big a fraud as selling a Spanish Beach Villa in Zaragoza. But it's not just the premier league, the whole of Europe has become a one or two club procession and it's not just because of the financial disparity (although that is a massive part) it's also because there just isn't quality in depth in football....how many brilliant strikers are there out there, how many brilliant holding midfielders are there etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
England as a national side is as average as it's always been, but it's retained it's mediocrity despite a massive dip of quality (in the 1990s would a striker like Welbeck who has never been able to hit ten league goals a season be a mainstay in the national side?).
Don't get me wrong what i am saying is well beyond the pro or anti wenger arguments it's about football in general, for decent football to occur you need a larger pool of decent footballers.
I'm talking about basics like passing, being able to cross a ball, basic defending, tackling, staying on your feet instead of flying into the air at the slightest touch, the hysteria when a player temporarily achieves the basics. Look at that kid playing for Everton, can't even remember his name but he had the rare ability to look up and hit a cross into the box without hitting the first defender, lofting up a simple catch for the keeper or bashing it to the other corner flag. One for the future, apparently. It's ludicrous.
I want this and I want it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsaOQka-Mg
I think the talent and quality is there but it all gets gobbled up by elite clubs so you don't see a spread of talent anymore and it's done all so quickly. Just look how quickly James Rodriguez was snapped up by Real and that young kid they just bought. Any sign of talent gets snapped up before a player can really make a name for himself under the smaller club these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Also, the desire for clubs to have a 11 superstar players in every position just stifles creativity. Back in the 90s/00s you had one or two magical players at one team with specific roles. Then Real Madrid decided to shove Zidance, Figo, Raul, Beckham and Ronaldo into one team. Why the heck would Ronaldo need to do the sort of magic he pulled at Inter and drop deep when you have a long ball specialist like Beckham that can create a goal scoring from the halfway line? How does a player like that effect Figo and Zidane? Now we have teams like Barca with Messi, Neymar and Suarez in one squad. It stifles creativity and just makes players lazy. It's not just the super rich that do it either. We do it ourselves when trying to play little attacking midfielders in every possible position. It kills creativity and you only get to see a fraction of what an individual can do.
Quiet in here today :whistle:
:banghead:
As I've previously said, retain the cup, otherwise Wenger out.
I hope some of you are hanging your heads in shame after last night. :sulk:
No excuse not to win the cup now. Just pub team filth left.