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for a millionth time, it's because he was a teacher's pet on the training ground and would run around ten thousand traffic cones a day etc - sure you need some discipline but that's not what i'm talking about - Wenger didn't care at that point and just let players do what they wanted, and Emery and Arteta both suffer from low self-esteem and have to be the boss, they're not big enough to take on people who aren't just 'yes sir no sir' typesQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
For the millionth time, you need to learn there’s a difference between saying something and it being trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I haven’t seen anything about Xhaka being especially obsequious or a brown noser, and frankly it sounds like you’re trying to fill the gaps in your understanding. A bit like how people who didn’t understand the weather cycle assumed one needed to make propitiations to the god of rain in order for your crops to receive the water to become fertile.
I don’t rate him, you don’t rate him….but it’s clear these coaches did
...and his consistently woeful performances for five seasons showed they were all wrong - coaches can be wrong you know, even several in a row, as Man Utd have discoveredQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
it's amazing, you keep going on Arteta and what you think's wrong with him but apparently you're the only person who's allowed to do so, whenever I or anyone else criticises him, we're wrong and have psychological problems according to you (talk about pots and kettles btw)
you accused me of policing this board but it's actually you that contradicts anyone who disagrees with you into the ground and ultimately ends up resorting to personal abuse if you can't win in any other way
You’re missing the point, it’s not a case of whether the coaches are right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
It’s a case of objecting to making assumptions based on little evidence. It’s clear I think all coaches were mistaken about Xhaka
Contradicting people isn’t trying to police postings, you constantly ask people why they are posting something especially when it comes to politics and attribute uncharitable motivations. I’m disagreeing with you and if I think you’re making specious arguments I’m not going to dress it up. I can’t make personal remarks to people here because I don’t know anyone personally….but again if I think people are just whining I’m not inclined to enable that by playing nice.
If your opinion is that Xhaka is a teachers pet…I respectfully disagree, if you are asserting it I’m going to think you’re being a bit daft
I think his performances this season have been overblown, man. He had a weird purple goalscoring patch at in the first few games but his performance were still dire. He just wasn't showcased on blooper reels because he was moved further away from where he's a bomb scare and had an extra player (Zinchenko) next him. His Man City away performance was his worst in an arsenal shirt for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Regardless, you're 100% right in your teachers pet theory and this is one thing surely all arsenal fans can rejoice in, so let's just enjoy saying good riddance to the mong.
I’d imagine Xhaka’s worth is only something seen by his teammates and coaches. You always get players like that who are ridiculed from the outside but highly thought of internally.
Glad he’s moving on though, I think we’ll notice an immediate difference without his dithering and lack of pace in the middle.
Also I don’t think I’ve accused you of having psychological problems, I’ve called you a little bitch (not a comment I’d usually make but I’m aware of how you’ve previously responded to casual misogyny) and I’ve inferred noncery in other posters but the truth there is that not even a Nonce likes being accused of being a Nonce.
Does it add anything to my arguments? No clearly not, but still think it’s a bit too scattergun to be personal.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-b1091966.html
Above is another player I'd be glad to see the back of. To think we scouted this kid for quite a while before bringing him in..... I've personally seen nothing in him that makes him better than any of the youngsters we've seen go through our revolving doors. I think what pissed me off was that while everyone started last season like they were on steroids, his performances when called on were pretty insipid and lifeless (a sort of Anti-Xhaka :lol: ).
Again, I wouldn't want him as an option next season, regardless of whatever the stats say about his performances.
I agree he didn't succeed but there's something about him and Tavares' signings that say Arteta wasn't prepared to put the work in to coach them, it was sink or swim . Those were both Arteta/Edu singings I think, post Raul, so they can't blame dodgy agents for those.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I find of feel sorry for both of them, wrong club wrong time, I want them to be offloaded but hope they do well elsewhere
I also hope he does well wherever he goes, but the EPL is not made for players in his mold IMO. The kid has some potential but I have seen absolutely no evidence of "fight" in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76