Summer transfer joy and happiness

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

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Hell at this rate I'd settle with getting rid of Mustafi and Xhaka as 80% of our statement of intent.

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This - I'm really excited about Pepe but you're only as strong as your weakest link and until we get rid of these two self-destructive players we aren't serious contenders IMO

Mustafi in particularis just an embarrassment

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Wow, I think we are all getting far to carried away by the price tag or something else.

I can't see how this signing is bigger or even compares to previous statement of intent moves/signings for the likes Julio Baptista, Rosciky, Arshavin, Ozil or Sanchez. In fact I'd say the Lacazette and Auba signings are still far more notable and laudable than this.

Though, one thing about all the AW marquee signings mentioned were that he was always kind of pressured into making them ; especially the latter 2 . Thus his signings were more of a direct response to positions that the fans wanted him to fill with real world class talents.

As good as this deal is ( and I do think it is a good properly structured deal), I can't see how this changes much or addresses the real deficits fans have spotted in this team. I can't even see this as a statement of intent nor do I think our "rivals" would be envious or having sleepless nights over this. The only thing this transfer seems to say unequivocally, is "Arsenal aren't broke" and most informed people knew that already.

Anyway I am happy to have Pepe onboard and do think he will be a beneficial signing in the long-run. I'd put this signing on the scale of a Nasri or even Theo signing (in summary, opportunistic). I would have been far more pleased with 2 proven CBs and a marquee DM/CM.

Hell at this rate I'd settle with getting rid of Mustafi and Xhaka as 80% of our statement of intent.

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I wanted to take this seriously but then you compared the signing to a loanee who was dumped by this club one season after signing (Baptista), a 16-year-old kid who had played a handful of first team games (Theo) and a raw, talented 21-year-old (Nasri) who still hadn’t found his feet in his native league.

Although, Rosicky and Arshavin are actually good shouts, I’ll give you that. What makes this different from the likes of Ozil, Auba and Alexis is they were being pushed out by their clubs at the time. They were what you’d call opportunistic transfers as there was little or no planning involved. Lacazette? Maybe. Either way, we rarely pick up one of the brightest talents around and prize them away from their clubs with competition in better positions than us involved. It’s a rarity which marks this out as quite unique for the club to get over the line. Especially with all the doom and gloom and becoming a Europa team in recent years. And especially given the general incompetency when it comes to buying and selling in recent years.

Does it change our need for a CB or more proven CM? No, but there’s also no reason to not be excited by this signing. But with Bellerin and Holding back in September, with a possible new LB and a new shape then maybe pinning all our hopes onto a magical CB to save the day maybe isn’t necessary to improve a little. Although in terms of pure numbers we should buy another one if Kos/Mustafi is leaving.

Are we still ‘broke’? Well, given the work done by two experts into our accounts then it’s hard to see how the financial situation has changed. Kroenke certainly hasn’t reached into his pocket to sort it out. Judging by what we’ve spent so far and how this deal is structured then we probably haven’t spent much at all this summer - so far probably less than the ‘magic number’ being banded around.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Wow, I think we are all getting far to carried away by the price tag.

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Do you just want to make the world dance? :unsure:

Cracking signing. Won’t solve anything at the back of course, but let’s hope for some incomings there.

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Originally Posted by SMatthews

I wanted to take this seriously but then you compared the signing to a loanee who was dumped by this club one season after signing (Baptista), a 16-year-old kid who had played a handful of first team games (Theo) and a raw, talented 21-year-old (Nasri) who still hadn’t found his feet in his native league.

Although, Rosicky and Arshavin are actually good shouts, I’ll give you that. What makes this different from the likes of Ozil, Auba and Alexis is they were being pushed out by their clubs at the time. They were what you’d call opportunistic transfers as there was little or no planning involved. Lacazette? Maybe. Either way, we rarely pick up one of the brightest talents around and prize them away from their clubs with competition in better positions than us involved. It’s a rarity which marks this out as quite unique for the club to get over the line. Especially with all the doom and gloom and becoming a Europa team in recent years. And especially given the general incompetency when it comes to buying and selling in recent years.

Does it change our need for a CB or more proven CM? No, but there’s also no reason to not be excited by this signing. But with Bellerin and Holding back in September, with a possible new LB and a new shape then maybe pinning all our hopes onto a magical CB to save the day maybe isn’t necessary to improve a little. Although in terms of pure numbers we should buy another one if Kos/Mustafi is leaving.

Are we still ‘broke’? Well, given the work done by two experts into our accounts then it’s hard to see how the financial situation has changed. Kroenke certainly hasn’t reached into his pocket to sort it out. Judging by what we’ve spent so far and how this deal is structured then we probably haven’t spent much at all this summer - so far probably less than the ‘magic number’ being banded around.

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We were absolutely crying out for a top class winger last season. Everyone knows the defence needs sorting, but that doesn't take away from the Pepe signing.

We will get Tierney and a CB by the end of the window.

Raul is on the case ;)

We plugged a major hole in the squad (one that had been there some considerable time) with one of the best players in the position available.

We absolutely should be looking at a competent CB, but frankly, after the way we finished the season I was expecting there to be a couple if not a few major holes left.

In an ideal world, Ceballos will mean not having to play Granit Hospital pass Xhaka and ridding ourselves of one of the regular liabilities in a key area. Mustafi is obviously a problem but there is a vague hope that he won't have to play the majority of games.

The 3 musketeers here we come...

Bielik has gone to Derby £10m

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

We plugged a major hole in the squad (one that had been there some considerable time) with one of the best players in the position available.

We absolutely should be looking at a competent CB, but frankly, after the way we finished the season I was expecting there to be a couple if not a few major holes left.

In an ideal world, Ceballos will mean not having to play Granit Hospital pass Xhaka and ridding ourselves of one of the regular liabilities in a key area. Mustafi is obviously a problem but there is a vague hope that he won't have to play the majority of games.

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I think Xhaka will still play unfortunately. Either alongside Ceballos in the home games with Ozil in front. Or with Torreira away from home and Ceballos ahead in the no. 10 position.

Positive noises about Mustafi being pushed out though.

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

Bielik has gone to Derby £10m

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i guess that's a decent amount, i just hope he doesn't turn out to be really good or we might regret it...

That is a good price and what we should be pushing for when selling any player.

No reason to think he's anything we'll miss. He done well - in the third tier. The fact he's ended up in the Championship shows there wasn't too much interest in him to go elsewhere.

£10m for a 21 year old who played 2 league cup games for us and spent all last season in League One :wacko:

Harry Maguire

Eighty million pounds

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Desperation.

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Originally Posted by GP

Harry Maguire

Eighty million pounds

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is that the weight of his fat head? :lol:

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Originally Posted by dazthegooner

Desperation.

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Yes it is, but at least they have now got a very good CB.

Arsenal need one of them as well, and time is nearly up.

He's very good?

I must be missing something.

What’s happening? My mouth keeps trying to do this strange, twitchy thing at the corners, and I’m feeling something that isn’t rage or despair? It’s not shame either. What else is there?

Ole desperately trying to buy his way out of his inadequacies. Big head Maguire wont win any extra points for that sit team. Without their keeper they are a mid table team

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

What’s happening? My mouth keeps trying to do this strange, twitchy thing at the corners, and I’m feeling something that isn’t rage or despair? It’s not shame either. What else is there?

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Drugs

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

What’s happening? My mouth keeps trying to do this strange, twitchy thing at the corners, and I’m feeling something that isn’t rage or despair? It’s not shame either. What else is there?

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Having a stroke?

Isn’t Cahill pretty gettable as a cheap CB.

I know he’s not a worldy, but as a stop gap for a year, he has to be better than Mustavabrainfart

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Originally Posted by Letters

Having a stroke?

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Stroke was my first thought too.

Loadsa shit doing the rounds that we’re after coutinho on loan :haha:

That def not gonna happen :lol:

Tierney looks like it could def be on though.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Isn’t Cahill pretty gettable as a cheap CB.

I know he’s not a worldy, but as a stop gap for a year, he has to be better than Mustavabrainfart

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:gp:

If we fail to offload Mustafi and Kos, then we should definitely look into this.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

The 3 musketeers here we come...

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The whole attack feels completely reinvigorated this year - not just that first choice front 3, but the supporting cast too. We’ve gone from having no genuine wide options and dribblers income he squad to suddenly having 4 or 5 options to choose from. Even if the younger players represent little more than wildcards that we can bring off the bench for the last 20 to start with, it’s enough to give us more depth, a broader range of playing styles and the options we need to play the shape and system we want.

Plus we don’t have to put up with any Özil’s nonsense now, or worry about Mkhi or Iwobi looking lost out wide. I think a large part of the reason why everyone gets so angry at those guys is because we really couldn’t afford for them not to show up. Because we didn’t have anyone else to pick! But with the additions of Pepe, Ceballos and Martinelli, and the promotions of Willock, Nelson, Nketiah and Saka, it doesn’t feel like as much of a worry.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Loadsa shit doing the rounds that we’re after coutinho on loan :haha:

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Get used to it - it’s gonna take a while for the rumour mill to get this out of their system...

Raul + Edu = Arsenal must be after any Brazilian who has ever played for Barca (Malcom, Alvez, Coutinho, etc)

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Originally Posted by Gooner23

I think Xhaka will still play unfortunately. Either alongside Ceballos in the home games with Ozil in front. Or with Torreira away from home and Ceballos ahead in the no. 10 position.

Positive noises about Mustafi being pushed out though.

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He'll probably take his time like with Torreira but the pressure on Xhaka will be good. Guendouzi and Ceballos can take his place if he's making too many mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

He'll probably take his time like with Torreira but the pressure on Xhaka will be good. Guendouzi and Ceballos can take his place if he's making too many mistakes.

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So that means Guendouzi and Ceballos will be playing regularly then :lol:

This Coutinho thing has really taken off. :lol:

It has to be a load of nonsense surely?

Fuck defending. :bow:

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Originally Posted by dostoy

Yes it is, but at least they have now got a very good CB.

Arsenal need one of them as well, and time is nearly up.

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He's garbage. The only reason they're paying that much is cause he's English.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

He's garbage. The only reason they're paying that much is cause he's English.

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He is not garbage although he is overpriced but isn't everyone.

He is far better than Kos and Mustafi and any CB Arsenal have.

How can Arsenal NOT sign a CB, its unbelievable, surely it has to happen.

At least Maguire is used to English football, how long will it take Pepe to adapt, he is so slight, he looks like a 10 year old boy.

72 million is outrageous and far too much.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

He's garbage. The only reason they're paying that much is cause he's English.

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Yeah but he plays for In-ger-land

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

This Coutinho thing has really taken off. :lol:

It has to be a load of nonsense surely?

Fuck defending. :bow:

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Being reported quite widely now :lol:

Maguire is overpriced but he's not rubbish.

Can't take the Countinho stuff seriously.

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Originally Posted by dostoy

He is not garbage although he is overpriced but isn't everyone.

He is far better than Kos and Mustafi and any CB Arsenal have.

How can Arsenal NOT sign a CB, its unbelievable, surely it has to happen.

At least Maguire is used to English football, how long will it take Pepe to adapt, he is so slight, he looks like a 10 year old boy.

72 million is outrageous and far too much.

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Far better? That's nonsense. He's marginally better than Sokratis and I suspect if you partner him with Mustafi, there'd be nothing in it.

But yeah, he's english and he's called hairy.

The rest of what you said there is even more nonsense.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Being reported quite widely now :lol:

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Reports in Spain saying it would be a £20-30m loan fee :wacko: Surely not.

Unless you're whacking £20-30m off a future transfer fee... but even then. Surely not.

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Originally Posted by Shaqiri Is Boss

Reports in Spain saying it would be a £20-30m loan fee :wacko: Surely not.

Unless you're whacking £20-30m off a future transfer fee... but even then. Surely not.

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Doubt it...

Sounds a load of old bollocks to me, but we don’t do simple.