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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Makes me laugh really, if PHW cared about Arsenal he certainly wouldn't treat it's bread and butter (the fans) in the insulting way he does. He's a fat cat with a cigar in his mouth who doesn't have a clue about the realities of modern day football.

Say what you like about him but David Dein cared about the club, PHW made sure he along with a few others were tossed out on their ear because they wouldn't toe the line, that's why we are where we are.

You can see when someone really cares about a club and PHW in my opinion doesn't, it's a business to him.

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glad we cleared that quote hope then.

who initiated the selling of the shares to someone outside of the traditional board - wasn't that the starting point for the current position we are in?

Can i just check, is "Itsme" Zimm?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

glad we cleared that quote hope then.

who initiated the selling of the shares to someone outside of the traditional board - wasn't that the starting point for the current position we are in?

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Does it matter, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing considering anyway.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Can i just check, is "Itsme" Zimm?

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Does it show?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Does it matter, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing considering anyway.

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i think it matters who initiated the current stagnant position we're in where we do not seem to be progressing as a football team.

i am confused now. so you don't see the current situation as a bad thing? the situation that PHW and co oversee?

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Originally Posted by Letters

Yeah, that's why we're going down :rolleyes:

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Whats that got to do with anything?

We're not a successful club per say, 7 years without a tin pot trophy suggests we're not, now sure you'll say we've been top 4 for x years etc...but it depends whether you see that as success, I get no pleasure from coming 3rd/4th and getting into the CL when we all know every year we're making up the numbers.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Does it show?

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Ah that explains a lot then. Thanks

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think it matters who initiated the current stagnant position we're in where we do not seem to be progressing as a football team.

i am confused now. so you don't see the current situation as a bad thing? the situation that PHW and co oversee?

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The current stagnant position is down to the board not willing to move with the times, they don't want to invest and see 4th place as their championship, there's no real ambition to challenge the best in the world or become the best, they've taken the defeatist stance and accepted we can't so why bother.

Dein was much more forward thinking and wanted the club to compete with the best, losing him was a bad thing for the club IMO.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Whats that got to do with anything?

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Well. You think our board and manager all all bumbling idiots ™
The genuis 'Arry has assembled a squad which is much better than ours (you said ours doesn't even compare to theirs earlier in the season).
And here we are in 3rd below 2 sides who have bigger resources and one of whom has the best manager around.
We should be picking up a trophy or two but do you really think a load of incompetents could run a team and finish this high up every year? Really?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

The current stagnant position is down to the board not willing to move with the times, they don't want to invest and see 4th place as their championship, there's no real ambition to challenge the best in the world or become the best, they've taken the defeatist stance and accepted we can't so why bother.

Dein was much more forward thinking and wanted the club to compete with the best, losing him was a bad thing for the club IMO.

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the club is now owned in the majority by an investor that was introduced to the club by david dein - do you not think he had a duty to conduct a comprehensive due diligence to understand what this guys vision and intention was?

of course, now he is in the with board and they seem to share a similar point of view. you say it doesn't matter who introduced this man to the club, yet you still think it is relevant to pick up on a selective quote from wiki that is almost 20 years old - do you not see the contradiction there?

i don't see dein as the devil as he done some good things for the club, much in the same way i view phw and co. they have all done positive and negatives things, much like any director would as you can't please everyone all of the time.

yet dein brought along kroenke who was at first rejected by the board 'we don't want his sort' being the classic quote by phw. people can make mistakes and change judgements, i'm sure you've done the same in your lifetime, the only difference is that your statements are not kept on national record.

dein thought he was doing the right thing bringing this guy in and ultimately it hasn't worked out, so he didn't do enough ground work. he fucked up. he then jumped into bed with the russian guy and sold his shares to him at a premium. fair enough, business is business. but do you think that shows any more loyalty or 'love' to the club than you assume phw lacks?