Next Arsenal manager?

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Originally Posted by 12gaugepump

You lot insult a Legend by bringing up a novice (Moyes) by comparison who might I add was also embarrassed by a crap team this past weekend. I think you lot suffer from the same mental malaise that the team suffers from and are just looking for Wengers head after tireless french baiting by English journalist. If Arsene must go and we are too big to not have won trophies, why then would you lot settle for a man with no pedigree? Which players do you imagine Moyes would be able to attract to Arsenal? Even if they will come because its the Arsenal, the fact that you have chosen him because he would be able to work on a shoe string budget suggest there in lies the underlying cause of our decline and not the manager. You are allowed your opinions as I am but you cant discredit what the man has achieved. If Moyes was that good he should have taken Everton up a notch after all as someone pointed out Everton finished above Arsenal in 1996. I don't mean to be dissing Moyes as I do believe he his a good manager but he is certainly not one for a great club like ours.

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because it's not all about winning. a bit of pride wouldn't go a miss and that disappeared a while ago under wenger.

I've come to the realisation that for some people none of this will ever be Wenger's fault, he gets a free pass, whatever he does he's doing a great job and is in an impossible position, no manager will do better.

That's a pretty great position, never having to answer for your failings on the pitch or off the pitch and still getting paid millions for it, is there another job in the world where someone gets paid so handsomely and is so easily absolved of any blame when things go wrong?

If none of this is his fault then why do we need him, he's clearly not doing anything?

In the end though, noone makes him sign the players he does, or makes him coach the way he does, noone forces tactics on him, or picks his team, noone else motivates his players or teaches to defend as they do...or is the fact he can't manage these things the boards fault as well?

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Originally Posted by 12gaugepump

You lot insult a Legend by bringing up a novice (Moyes) by comparison who might I add was also embarrassed by a crap team this past weekend. I think you lot suffer from the same mental malaise that the team suffers from and are just looking for Wengers head after tireless french baiting by English journalist. If Arsene must go and we are too big to not have won trophies, why then would you lot settle for a man with no pedigree? Which players do you imagine Moyes would be able to attract to Arsenal? Even if they will come because its the Arsenal, the fact that you have chosen him because he would be able to work on a shoe string budget suggest there in lies the underlying cause of our decline and not the manager. You are allowed your opinions as I am but you cant discredit what the man has achieved. If Moyes was that good he should have taken Everton up a notch after all as someone pointed out Everton finished above Arsenal in 1996. I don't mean to be dissing Moyes as I do believe he his a good manager but he is certainly not one for a great club like ours.

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its easy to say that but if you take a look at what he's actually achieved it is a miracle. he has no money, and when i say no money, i literally mean no money. he's working at a club with a stadium which has no room for expansion so no-one is remotely interested in buying the club, and he's stuck with an owner who has their best interests at heart but has no money himself to invest in the club. we thought we were broke for the first few years when moving to the emirates but imagine being stuck like that forever, and having to work under those restrictions. thats what moyes is doing.

sometimes its about going with your gut feeling and giving a man a chance. yes he hasnt won a trophy but with bigger resources he can win trophies here. he deserves the chance and quite frankly, how much worse than wenger could he be? we are dire this season. wenger was pretty crap before he came to arsenal and look at what he achieved here up until 2005. he was given a chance and thats what moyes needs.

we'd also need a yes man with the current mob in charge and moyes is exactly that, he wont moan about resources, he'll just get on with it.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I've come to the realisation that for some people none of this will ever be Wenger's fault, he gets a free pass, whatever he does he's doing a great job and is in an impossible position, no manager will do better.

That's a pretty great position, never having to answer for your failings on the pitch or off the pitch and still getting paid millions for it, is there another job in the world where someone gets paid so handsomely and is so easily absolved of any blame when things go wrong?

If none of this is his fault then why do we need him, he's clearly not doing anything?

In the end though, noone makes him sign the players he does, or makes him coach the way he does, noone forces tactics on him, or picks his team, noone else motivates his players or teaches to defend as they do...or is the fact he can't manage these things the boards fault as well?

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Why do you keep throwing out this straw man argument? Not just you, but a few posters on here. Who is claiming the board are responsible for the tactics or the direct management of the team? Of course that's down to Wenger and certainly he has made a heap of mistakes. However, let's consider all the problems at the club, because all of those problems will need to be addressed and rectified before we can move on.

Any manager coming in is still going to be subject to this shitty board. It could be a new guy can motivate the team, organise things better, get some results. But we'd better be willing to settle for just that because the new guy will want to push on if he is in any way ambitious. That's when he'll hit a roadblock. And that's when we'll all start over again calling out the manager for not being able to go the extra mile.

Wenger has transformed himself from an asset to a liability from the fans perspective. No doubt he is still a huge asset in the board's eyes though. It has been said any ambitious club would have ditched Wenger by now, certainly a Chelsea or a City (joke clubs btw). But when the board's "ambitions" run so contrary to those of the fans we have a real problem as fans. Getting rid of Wenger might be a temporary solution to part of the problem but the big problem at the core of all other problems will still be very much with us.

If there's to be a campaign to oust Wenger I'd like to see twice the effort directed at the board too. If those fuckers buy themselves another couple of years to pursue their rotten agenda by switching out the manager that will be very bad news. I hope the fans can't be fooled so easily.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Why do you keep throwing out this straw man argument? Not just you, but a few posters on here. Who is claiming the board are responsible for the tactics or the direct management of the team? Of course that's down to Wenger and certainly he has made a heap of mistakes. However, let's consider all the problems at the club, because all of those problems will need to be addressed and rectified before we can move on.

Any manager coming in is still going to be subject to this shitty board. It could be a new guy can motivate the team, organise things better, get some results. But we'd better be willing to settle for just that because the new guy will want to push on if he is in any way ambitious. That's when he'll hit a roadblock. And that's when we'll all start over again calling out the manager for not being able to go the extra mile.

Wenger has transformed himself from an asset to a liability from the fans perspective. No doubt he is still a huge asset in the board's eyes though. It has been said any ambitious club would have ditched Wenger by now, certainly a Chelsea or a City (joke clubs btw). But when the board's "ambitions" run so contrary to those of the fans we have a real problem as fans. Getting rid of Wenger might be a temporary solution to part of the problem but the big problem at the core of all other problems will still be very much with us.

If there's to be a campaign to oust Wenger I'd like to see twice the effort directed at the board too. If those fuckers buy themselves another couple of years to pursue their rotten agenda by switching out the manager that will be very bad news. I hope the fans can't be fooled so easily.

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I've never disagreed that the board are a problem, they have been for a long time, the way they do things their attitude etc stinks and I've been criticising them for years, I can remember when I was calling PHW out for what he was and people were telling me he loves the club and I should have more respect for what he's done for it.

In the end though you have to start somewhere and I'm personally sick of Wenger nonsense and his schoolboy errors and all around poor management, I just want him gone he's hasn't got it in him to turn it around even with a completely new board. You just can't excuse problem after problem (there are too many to name) and his pathetic excuses and defensive speeches, there's nothing left for him here all he's doing is tainting his image.

It's been a long time now since the days of free flowing football, world stars on the pitch and us being genuinely competitive, now we fail and try to convince people that it's not failure, noone will ever remember the club that came 4th in the league, an FA Cup winner however will go down in the history books. I frankly find insulting that our own manager refers to 4th as a major trophy and success, it's clearly the sign of a man who's lost his way and sold out to money as well.

Yes I'd love the board gone, but let's be realistic here, how likely is that to happen....you'd need something extraordinary to force a change like that and I simply can't see Arsenal fans ever doing anything like that, our best best it that some rich guy who is a football supporter and understand what being a fan is about actually buys them out and brings football back to the forefront, better than than a bunch of money obsessed people who see £££ signs instead of football.

Are you kidding me?

These days it is far easier to remember who finished fourth than who won the league.

Or to be more specific, it is easier to remember who gobbled up the las CL place available because it is always us.

I'm talking about in the longer term, in 20 years will anyone remember 4th place?

There's no silverware, there won't be any footage played it's a non-achievement, it only means something now due to money.

Jesus H.

It's "Jesus Wept"

Yeah I missed the joke, didn't realise you said league rather than cup!:doh: