Samir "The Weasel" Nasri - The Epitome of Wenger's Failings!!!

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Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!

This has nothing to do with Wenger.

Nasri is the one stalling because we wont pay him over a £100,000 a week because he thinks he is the french version on Messi.

Frankly, he can fuck off.

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I do agree with this don't get me wrong, but we've left ourselves open to this by allowing him to run down his contract.

If you were Nasri playing for a club you don't particularly have any affection for, your agent tells you he can get you 100k a week possibly at a more successful club it's not hard to see why you'd be tempted. If he had a close bond with the fans and club it would be different, but he doesn't, apart from RVP and maybe Wilshere not sure any of them have.

What's Nasri's motivation to stay other than for money?

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

I guess that's reasonable.
But players being unlikeable, spoilt, overpaid twunts who would piss off at the first big cheque waved at them is a problem throughout football though and that isn't Wenger's fault. The way he manages the players is of course but tbh none of us really know what goes on behind the scenes and the way he told Barca to piss off last summer was an example where he did get it right IMO.

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A portion of the blame should definitely lie at Wenger's door, this is not the first time he has faced a struggle to keep one of his best players and it certainly won't be the last, it's a by-product of being unsuccessful and we have to accept that.

We talk about how the players loyalty might lie with Wenger rather than the club, well it's neither, their loyalty is to themselves.

The whole situation is systematic of modern day football and I guess that is where the problem lies.

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Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng

I think that you are absolving the player for his own failings. End of the day, the players, not the manager step onto the pitch. Nasri is expecting to be paid as a 'go to' top player - while having demonstrated that he is nothing of the sort. Did RVP's efforts drop in the last 3 months of the season? Wilshere's? Sangna's? If a player is to be paid what Nasri is demanding, then he should not be looking to the manager for motivation. If he is, then he is not ready to be paid that much.

I won't comment on the contract scenario last Summer, but I find it impossible to believe that an overture was not made by the club when so many other contracts were extended. As we are seeing now, you cannot get anything sorted without the willingness of the other party to coopertate. And there would have been no reason back then for club or player to make and failed negotiations public.

One thing people might not know is that he had just signed an extended contract with Marseille when he came to Arsenal. This would suggest that he might well be looking to re-negotiate/leave now even if we had extended last Summer - given that this would have been before his so-called 'breakthrough' season.

Like I say, I am not expecting loyalty. But I see in Nasri a player who, though talented, may well be too self centred to truly realise his potential.

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I'm not absolving him, it is down to players to step onto the pitch, but we've all seen the effect of a new manager and how players can either be re-energised or demoralised.....for most players the manager is where motivation comes from.

I agree he's asking for a lot, but he's in a position to...if other clubs want him and he doesn't feel any bond with us then why would he want to stay other than for money, there needs to be a good reason for players to want to stay.

As for the contract situtation, we've seen it many times before, we're terrible at planning these things and let players run their contracts down too often, it's nothing new.

Nasri may well be a mercernary, but you seem to think he owes the club something....I don't really see that.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

A portion of the blame should definitely lie at Wenger's door, this is not the first time he has faced a struggle to keep one of his best players and it certainly won't be the last, it's a by-product of being unsuccessful and we have to accept that.

We talk about how the players loyalty might lie with Wenger rather than the club, well it's neither, their loyalty is to themselves.

The whole situation is systematic of modern day football and I guess that is where the problem lies.

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Again great post, if you're not successful and you aren't perceived to be trying to improve (by signing players etc) it's always going to be hard to keep your better players.

In modern day football the grass is always greener on the other side, in the situation we're in right now it's not hard to see why a player might believe that.

Money is really the only real motivator with a club in our situation, we don't have the pull factors we once had i.e world start, great football, success, a manager you really want to work under, ambition.

How does Sir Alex prevent his top players from leaving?

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Originally Posted by gunsofashburtongrove

Wenger and the board have got us into a deep mess. We are in a position where there a few fringe players who should be replaced and then we struggling holding on to 2 of our 3 supposedly world class players. I don't think Nasri's contract should have been renewed last year as he hasn't done anything till this season. We would have ended up with another overpriced wanna be. The problem is much deeper than Nasri's specific case. We pick youngsters who make a name with us and then want to leave for lucrative offers under the pretext of moving to win trophies. The other problem is that it leaves the club at the mercy of youngsters who threaten to leave unless they have better contracts or they get more playing time. The only way out is to start winning, which wont happen unless we invest in the present.

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This.

The board and Wenger have fucked this club, up, down and sideways. They have completely neglected the team and thrown all their energies into the finances of the club. And they've all done rather well out of it as a result, none of them have been failing for the last 6 years. They've built an attractive investment (in terms of the money) and flogged the result. It's all about the money at Arsenal now, football doesn't come into the picture. The board's words don't match their deeds, they've watched these collapses year after year and done nothing to correct the problems. And they've let Wenger roll out the same old crap which has resulted in the same old crap. We have a boardroom full of con-artists, fact. And a manager who executes their con-job. The bigger stadium was supposed to be about bigger revenues and competing on the bigger stage. Instead we've gone backwards in all matters connected to the team, although we've surged ahead in areas the board obviously finds important - the share price, the ticket prices, property sales. Does anyone think this is a coincidence? And does anyone think the players can't see this if it's clear to the fans who are on the outside and firmly excluded? It certainly IS Wenger's fault. And it sure as hell is the board's fault. They have engineered and executed the demise of this club for their own personal gain. Just look at the evidence, no speculation is required when you look at the end result of this ongoing project. Who gained, who lost? Follow the money, where did it all go? Nasri has a reputation for simply speaking out, whatever's on his mind he says it. Nasri is a modern day footballer being a modern day footballer. Nothing much to admire there, he's the same as all the rest. In two years Jack Wilshere will be being courted by Man Utd. That's where he's going, btw. He's a Utd player all over, not an Arsenal player - not any more anyway. We saw Djourou and Senderos this weekend - those are Arsenal players now. Shit. The money got taken out of the team and put in the board's pocket. End of. Wenger helped them do it all the way without raising a hint of a complaint. He's just as guilty. They all need to fuck off, the board, Wenger, the mercenaries. This club is going down whatever happens. We're heading for mid-table over the next few seasons, no way are we heading up. The board claimed we would be competing at the top, but we can't pay top wages. So that way just hot air. We're expecting players to come here and bust a gut based on love of the club. That's naive. If the fucking board can't be bothered to love the club and the Manager can't be bothered to love anything other than the balance sheet and even the fans are fed up then expecting the players to rescue the club is unrealistic. Maybe in years gone by that might have happened, but not in this day and age.

We, my friends, are well and truly fucked and the board and Wenger have put us where we are today. Deliberately. Add up all the facts and that's what you get. A bunch of cunts with their champagne and a French stooge who thinks the fans are going to keep paying top money to watch him manage a set of accounts rather than the football team they have followed all these years.

It's all downhill from here.

Why is everything that goes wrong with Arsenal always Wengers fault.

Whats he supposed to do, force him to sign a contract? Maybe Wenger should get a little credit for finding Nasri for less than we sold Hleb for, who most ppl on here thought was our best player for most of last season, and made it into the PFA team of the season.

It would suck to lose Nasri but he's hardly acted as badly as alot of premiership players recently (Rooney anyone?). I think he'l sign eventually but it aint Wengers fault if the guys a cunt.

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

How does Sir Alex prevent his top players from leaving?

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Success, signing players and when the time comes paying big money to his top stars.

Players know that if they come to Man U, it almost comes with guaranteed medals.

:lol:

ITT blinkered mugs.

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Originally Posted by Dog Toffee

Why is everything that goes wrong with Arsenal always Wengers fault.

Whats he supposed to do, force him to sign a contract? Maybe Wenger should get a little credit for finding Nasri for less than we sold Hleb for, who most ppl on here thought was our best player for most of last season, and made it into the PFA team of the season.

It would suck to lose Nasri but he's hardly acted as badly as alot of premiership players recently (Rooney anyone?). I think he'l sign eventually but it aint Wengers fault if the guys a cunt.

(Member of MOC)

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Wenger treats the players as family. That's stupidly naive. He keeps getting punched in the face and he comes back for more. He's an intelligent man, do you think he would put up with this if he was genuinely concerned with top rated players heading out the door? Look at the recent history, we sign players on the cheap, pay them slightly over the odds, get what we can out of them until they are established and then flog them when the wage demands come in or they are trying to settle on a final contract - hence the stupid 30+ rule. Even loyal servants like Gilberto have been treated like shit and kicked out the door. Can this be an accident? Or is it a convenient way for Wenger and the board to point at the players and deflect the blame. We were supposed to be moving so we could boost the finances and translate that to success on the pitch. We've boosted the finances all right but that's where the deal ended. Oh so very convenient for those who stand to make the money. And convenient for the players who come here and use the club as a shop window. We're being scammed and have been for years now.