Also, we waited for 3 fucking months to actually do any real business, when we should have gone in and tied up the players we wanted early, or at least had time to get some plan b's in.
Probably something else which we didn't have.
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Also, we waited for 3 fucking months to actually do any real business, when we should have gone in and tied up the players we wanted early, or at least had time to get some plan b's in.
Probably something else which we didn't have.
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
@Ollie, re: Klopp
Terrible? Second in their league facing the best team in Europe, if not the world, semi final of the German cup and Champions League quarter final, all in the knowledge their star man has signed an agreement to join their domestic rivals at the end of the season?
The only caution needed is when we approach to try and get him. He's the only man who can continue what Wenger will leave behind at the end of the season.
All these comments are done to frustration of Chelsea defeat . It will take only two victories to wipe everything out and back to normal . In Wenger we still trust .
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Originally Posted by Alpha
I love the geezer to bits, but for fucks sake. We keep getting the piss taken out of us. City got six, Liverpool got five, Chelsea six....and lets not forget the Utd trouncing which we were told would never happen again. We got the piss take. Out of us when four up against Newcastle, went through stages of giving up winning leads consistently. Got hit for five in the cup by those cunts up the roads. Made idiots of ourselves against Birmingham in the cup....
The list goes on and on. The players change a bit. We do some good stuff. But we keep getting fucked over.
I don't have an issue with transfers. Some people just think that solves everything. It doesn't. The issue I have is purely down to the way Wenger refuses to acknowledge the opposition properly, and instill the confidence / organisation to stop getting arse raped.
I am a loyal Wenger supporter. I don't knee jerk (that much) or go mental. I don't internet Wenger at all. In fact, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him win the cup for us again, and see hime smile.
I just happen to think we've been humiliated enougb times now, and seen the same pattern enough times to know that it is the manager, not the players, who is to blame for these idiotic occurances. For which there is no excuse when it happens again and again.
We've done well this season. But we either accept that its perenial chasing for fourth, or we get somebody fresh in, who can turn the amazing job Arsene has built for us, into something truely great.
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Originally Posted by LDG
Super post!
Agree with that, brilliant post.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Except for the bit about transfers.
It's not that it solves everything, but you do have to buy the right additions when there are obvious areas to address.
The world and his dog knows that, 1 or 2 decent players in areas we are weak (striker being the main one, 2 windows and nothing) and then you have depth, strength and options when there may be times that the team struggle.
How many times have we heard the line that we couldn't find anyone better than what we have? That is a statement born out of some acid fuelled trip around the moon as it is that ludicrous.
If it is only said so as not to bruise the egos of current players then why put transfer activity into that context at all? You don't hear other managers saying that about it.
It's not the be all and end all, I do agree with you, but to act like it's the least important thing about what happens on the pitch and a major contribution as to why we keep failing to push on is naive at best, and ignorant at worst.
I think the transfer talk is a separate issue and we shouldn't be getting battered like that regardless of the squad we put out. I wouldn't even expect that score if we put out our reserve and bench players. We should leave the transfer talk for another day or put aside for other Wenger issues that need addressing. With the new money we have, I don't think it's a problem that's unsolvable.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
This tactics thing is a serious issue. We've seen several teams and captains under Wenger go out on the pitch and take a pummelling over the years. The most embarrassing moment under Wenger used to be the FA beating back in the glory years. Was it 5-1? It was so long ago and we've had so many cricket score results it's been wiped from memory as the worst! We haven 't even paid Utd back for that beating. It's just a joke that this keeps happening to Wenger. All of his teams have the ability to capitulate and bottle it.
We had a poor game against Spurs and he walks out with the exact same team that struggled to string two passes together against Spurs. What game was he watching to think we'd cope against Chelsea? Did he not see the pattern? It's all to familiar and I think it's time he walked away. Taking an hammering from Mourinho like that of all people on such a landmark occasion will sting for years to come. What's worse, Wenger is powerless to stop him from doing it again. He'll never beat a Mourinho and even if he gets 1 victory, it will never be enough to match the amount of blows he's landed on us and that pisses me off.
Regardless of what happens with the FA Cup, I think it's time he called it quits. He hasn't got what it takes to compete. Jose and Pellegrini will dominate this non Fergie era and Brendan Rogers may even be in with a shout if he keeps building. Thank fuck Utd are struggling because we'd be out of the top 4 if they had a better manager. We can't afford to stand still any longer.
have we found a new manager yet?
some fantastic posts from LDG, P_n_G & Jeebus Creepers
real question is who should replace him?
Wenger does not need to "fuck off" as some have stated elsewhere. He needs to move on and others need to give a little more thought to the big picture.
We are talking about a man who changed this club beyond all recognition and it is a legacy that should last for many years.
He transformed the whole ethos of this club – it is totally unrecognisable from the Club he took over.
Wenger was the right man for bringing us football, the likes of which we had never seen before. This was accompanied with success, trophies and memories that will last forever.
He was the right man for transforming the Club’s ambition so that it could successfully take the risks inherent in making the move to a new stadium.
He was the right man for managing our limited resources for what has been too long for most fans to endure.
He was the right man for maintaining stability during a period where the club successfully managed the biggest capital infrastructure project any Club in world football has ever undertaken.
This was type of project that Liverpool and Tottenham have talked about for years. This was type of project that Liverpool and Tottenham have been begging for help from all tiers of government. This is the type of project they still talk about.
Our talking is over - we've delivered it and we've not gone to the taxpayer for one penny.
Unfortunately, he has been in this latter phase for too long, the game has passed him by. He is no longer innovative enough to bring the type of success he brought in the first half of his career. He has been far too embroiled in a necessarily parsimonious transfer strategy that he appears unable to adapt to the way the market operates today.
That, and the lack of innovation, means it is time for a change.
That said, this club is now in a fantastic position for a new manager at the top of his game. The environment at the Club is ideal for attracting the best of managers and the best of players.
We are in a position to attract a manager who really wants to make a statement at a top Club.
If a new manager were appointed now, he would have:
• More resources at his disposal than at any time in the history of the club – resources entirely generated from within.
• Champions League football
• A solid base of players from which to build upon
• A Board that despite my criticisms, gives Managers the space and time to build and be innovative.
The latter phase of Wenger’s work has been just as important as the earlier phase – maybe more so. We have the pieces aligned to deliver sustainable success and competitiveness.
Arsenal has to be an attractive proposition for the best there is now. We certainly would not have been three, five or even nine years ago.
I hope as much for Wenger as I do for myself as a fan, that we do win the FA Cup. I also hope that it is his swansong and that we go confidently forward under a new manager, the quality of which this Club and Wenger’s body of work deserves.