Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

if we were looking to serie A then Conte is surely a better bet?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

My criteria is pretty clear, if we get a manager who has won a domestic title with a club than it's not a risk and it's worth pursuing, if the manager has not and actually has a record of getting relegated as a manager (like Martinez who if you are being really harsh you could argue was rewarded for failure by getting the job at Everton) than i'd say it's not a risk worth taking when we consider that as frustrating as Wenger is we are one of the most stabile clubs in Europe. I am sick of stagnating as much as anyone, but i'm also pretty risk adverse and everything that has been said about Martinez at Everton has previously been said of Moyes and in the end he didn't have the stature or the authority to take it onto the next level.
For me the best and most realistic choice at this moment in time would be Rudi Garcia....who has won a league title with Lille and pushed Juventus all the way in Serie A last season despite having to sell their top players every summer.

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Capello has stature and has won a shit load of trophies but look at him now. About as useful as Letters in a brothel.

Laudrup won the league cup with Swansea and certain posters wanted him here (won't name any names, you know who you are :haha: ). Now look at him.

It's about bringing in the right person, and by right I mean he must have the right personality, the right attitude and be tactically proficient. Someone that would set the team up right and implement a system to suit our players.

Martinez would be an excellent choice.

Neither of these examples are particurlarly astute, Capello won the majority of his titles in the 1990s (clearly we would look at someone who had enjoyed recent success) and sorry were not a lot of people on here talking about Michael Laudrup as a successor to Wenger?. This proves to me how ephmeral football is, and how more so opinions are.

It's funny how you advocate someone that has recent success yet stick up for Wenger.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I felt he should have left with his head held high after the cup win, however I think he also deserved a chance to spend some of the new money that wasn't previously available to him. There was some cause for optimism after winning the cup and landing a player like Sanchez but it seems like we're not really much stronger as a team, arguably weaker right now thanks to the regression of a defence that was previously ok.

He shot himself in the foot in the transfer window, for the first time in years he had backing from the masses but now he's back to square one. Not signing adequate numbers in defence was just plain foolish and he completely missed a trick by not bringing Cesc back or at least finding an upgrade on Flamini/Arteta.

We're consistently exposed against sides of quality and even the lesser teams are able to really get stuck into us. There is no tactical nous, the team play like they've just been told to go out there and do their thing, they start every match like they're on auto-pilot and only seem to react when they've been caught cold. Why does he persist with such an ineffective style of play? We have a fair bit of pace now and Giroud is out of the picture, so why not mix things up. Square pegs in round holes everywhere hoping to replicate some sort of lite version of tiki-taka.

The problem is the man doesn't give a damn about we think, if anything the more we complain about something the more he'll turn a blind eye to it. He's too far gone and stuck in his ways, there's nothing progressive or innovative about what he's doing anymore, it's stale and there are a host of younger managers who have more going for them now. People say we couldn't have signed someone like Ozil without him which is true, but what good is that when he can't even extract the required quality out of him. That guy looks like an absolute shell of a player under Wenger's management, not too dissimilar to other previously highly rated players who have been and gone over the past 5-6 years.

He's been a top manager for us but unless there is dramatic success coming over the next 3 years, he's going to leave with his legacy tarnished and that's just sad because he is a great man who has put this club in a position we couldn't have dreamed about 20 years ago.

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:gp: It sums it up and why we've all been going in circles for so long. I just can't see a solution other than a change of management. The board has changed, our financial position has changed, the team keeps changing but it's the same results and with the same hallmarks.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I guess my point is Moyes wasn't that stupid an idea. He did do well at Everton, and Utd thought he was worthy to succeed Ferguson. And yet... We do need to move on but we need to be careful about it because for all our frustrations with Wenger he's not the incompetent some on here make out and plenty of managers would do worse.
Clough took Forest down in the end, all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've stagnated for too long but we need to be careful we don't pick someone who will take us into mid-table like Moyes did at Utd.

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Moyes was a terrible choice from the get go. He only got the job because he was Scottish and Fergie felt he knew his background or whatever. It was a stupid idea and why I'd never advocate bringing someone in from a smaller club just because they managed to balance the books. His style was all wrong, he plays long ball football, is far from a tactical genius, never beat any of the top teams away from home, never won a trophy...he should have never been given the job.

In an ideal world, we want someone with solid credentials but if we're going to take a punt, like we did with Wenger, bring in someone that can add to our attacking philosophy, a real tactician and even if they are from a smaller club, have at least a record of turning them around and winning a cup and known for being a tough team to beat across the board. Been saying this for ages and why people are looking towards guys like Martinez. He'd be a massive risk and not my first choice but I'd rather take a punt then continue seeing this. This is a slow death.

You said "then" :haha:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Moyes was a terrible choice from the get go. He only got the job because he was Scottish and Fergie felt he knew his background or whatever. It was a stupid idea and why I'd never advocate bringing someone in from a smaller club just because they managed to balance the books. His style was all wrong, he plays long ball football, is far from a tactical genius, never beat any of the top teams away from home, never won a trophy...he should have never been given the job.

In an ideal world, we want someone with solid credentials but if we're going to take a punt, like we did with Wenger, bring in someone that can add to our attacking philosophy, a real tactician and even if they are from a smaller club, have at least a record of turning them around and winning a cup and known for being a tough team to beat across the board. Been saying this for ages and why people are looking towards guys like Martinez. He'd be a massive risk and not my first choice but I'd rather take a punt then continue seeing this. This is a slow death.

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Of course it would be ideal if the new guy had some previous success but I've never felt a glittering cv is a must have for a new manager, what I want to see is a fresh philosophy and a more pro active style of management. We're investing in a person, not a track record.

Wenger hasn't moved the team on for the best part of a decade and has 1 trophy to show in that period, it's not the impossible job like it was for Moyes replacing Fergie. I reckon every young manager in the business will salivate at the prospect of managing Arsenal once Wenger calls it a day.

It wouldn't be so bad if we were competitive in the CL but the fact we're also rans means finishing 4th holds no weight anymore.

I definitely think it is time to move on. Wenger will always be a total legend at the club for the early on field success and the transition into the new stadium but I cant help but feel that football has evolved over the past decade and he hasn't been able to adjust with it. We look tactically clueless against pretty much any decent team and we always seem to be lacking confidence and motivation.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Capello has stature and has won a shit load of trophies but look at him now. About as useful as Letters in a brothel.

Laudrup won the league cup with Swansea and certain posters wanted him here (won't name any names, you know who you are :haha: ). Now look at him.

It's about bringing in the right person, and by right I mean he must have the right personality, the right attitude and be tactically proficient. Someone that would set the team up right and implement a system to suit our players.

Martinez would be an excellent choice.

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It is absolutely about getting the right person for the job. Yes, a league title could be a great plus but that should not stop us from seeking the next Mourinho (without the cuntish behavior) or Klopp. I think a manager like Martinez can utilize our squad the best and make us a team to fear. I do not see that coming from Wenger... not this year, not next year or the next decade. Time to move on..