COC Reaction v Sheffield Wednesday

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

It's irony saying a 19 year old who has been here for a season and ten games, and who actually played well the last round of the Carling Cup hasn't been a flop?

I wouldn't compare it to a 22 year old who has been here for 5 seasons and looks the same as he did when he arrived at 18, tbf.

If Chambers is still playing like this at 22 and I'm saying give him time, then that's irony but I guarantee you I won't.

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So you'll wait until he hits the magical age of 22, the age when all good players have already proven themselves? By the way chambers is 21 in January so he's only a year and a half younger than Ox. So yeah it is a bit ironic.

I don't disagree with you about Chambers though. It's far too early to write him off. There's no need to get drawn into his price tag, he has shown a lot of promise for his age and the potential is there for him. That said, he has a LOT to learn. He doesn't look like a natural defender to me, his positioning, lack of awareness, and decision making are all poor. I hope he's putting in the hours to study the game because being good on the ball isn't enough when you haven't mastered the basics of your position. At the moment he's a long way away from our other three CBs and needs to get himself to a level where he can realistically challenge for a starting place.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

So you'll wait until he hits the magical age of 22, the age when all good players have already proven themselves?

By the way chambers is 21 in January so he's only a year and a half younger than Ox. So yeah it is a bit ironic.

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no, im giving him a few seasons to show his talent. Nothing to do with age, but the amount of years he has been at this club and chances he has gotten.

(i only said 22 because I though Chambers was 19. Point remains, give him a few seasons to show his level)

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Originally Posted by Penguin

At the moment he's a long way away from our other three CBs and needs to get himself to a level where he can realistically challenge for a starting place.

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this is the issue Im having when people are getting on Chambers. We have 3 very good CBs ahead of him. This wasnt the case a few years ago when we had not-yet-ready for primetime guys on the pitch messing up but learning. Give Chambers time.

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

no, im giving him a few seasons to show his talent. Nothing to do with age, but the amount of years he has been at this club and chances he has gotten.

(i only said 22 because I though Chambers was 19. Point remains, give him a few seasons to show his level)



this is the issue Im having when people are getting on Chambers. We have 3 very good CBs ahead of him. This wasnt the case a few years ago when we had not-yet-ready for primetime guys on the pitch messing up but learning. Give Chambers time.

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Chambers showed promise early on but his development seems to have stalled. Maybe he should be loaned out to a PL club for a season or so he can hopefully get regular games under his belt.

I see parallels with his development like I did with Carl Jenkinson who I think is now developing into a very good right back.

I'm not going to write off Chambers yet because he is young, but he has a lot of improving to do, right now he cannot be trusted and we'll be in deep sh*t if 2 of our CB's get injured because Chambers is way off the standard required.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Chambers showed promise early on but his development seems to have stalled. Maybe he should be loaned out to a PL club for a season or so he can hopefully get regular games under his belt.

I see parallels with his development like I did with Carl Jenkinson who I think is now developing into a very good right back.

I'm not going to write off Chambers yet because he is young, but he has a lot of improving to do, right now he cannot be trusted and we'll be in deep sh*t if 2 of our CB's get injured because Chambers is way off the standard required.

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We have little bit Monreal as well who can play CB

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

We have little bit Monreal as well who can play CB

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:lol:

To be fair he did ok at CB last season, classic Wenger solution though.

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

Incredibly harsh

He was good against Spurs in the last round, ffs. Was decent in the Chelsea match after Gabriel was red carded too.

Anyone calling Chambers a flop can do one.

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Ok maybe I was being too harsh however I don't think simply not making any calamitous mistakes which leads to goals in a game, means that he's had a good game. As Penguin alludes to, he always seems bereft awareness, positioning and general defender smarts whenever he's played ........... which is not all his fault, as Wenger has to take some blame for shifting him around the place.

I'm not saying get rid of course because he's talented and has a lot of potential (and is English), however he does need to knuckle down and work hard because he's a liability at the moment whenever he plays.

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

It's irony saying a 19 year old who has been here for a season and ten games, and who actually played well the last round of the Carling Cup hasn't been a flop?

I wouldn't compare it to a 22 year old who has been here for 5 seasons and looks the same as he did when he arrived at 18, tbf.

If Chambers is still playing like this at 22 and I'm saying give him time, then that's irony but I guarantee you I won't.

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Well, it's funny because the last time we spoke you suggested there was some sort of bias against non English players and the English go untouched. Low and behold.

It's silly for anyone to write him off at such a young age. As Penguin points out, he's actually 20 and will be 21 in January. Not far behind Ox. I don't see a problem with pointing out mistakes but it's harsh to write him off. It's harsh to write off any 22 year old. What 22 year old is consistent? That's my point about Ox and your criticism of him comes off the back off sporadic appearances. He's had seasons here but he's never had a long run in the team. Chambers will encounter the same sort of problems being a back up defender.

With mistakes being so costly for both players, Wenger has to make a decision where he keeps playing them at the cost of team and results in order to aid their development. He's done this with a lot of players and those that struggle to find form get a lot of slack. This is what I was talking about with Ramsey and Theo. Or Wenger can keep this bench to first team sporadic pattern going switching their positions and I hope they learn that way but that's not ideal because it's what they're going through now. Or we can loan them out. But again, I can't recall many players hitting consistent form at 22 regardless so it may be a waiting game.