Angriest You've Been This Season

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Any team can lose a game on their bad day . What frustrates with the Arsenal is not the games they are losing but the manner they tend to be losing those games . They sometimes look like robots on the pitch who have been programmed to play in a certain way and can't change until the programmer changes the data . They make the same mistakes even when it is obvious what they doing is not working. They insist with their rubbish zonal markings . They give too much spaces to other teams to punish them . They make silly passes in their own final third and end up losing the ball putting themselves under unnecessary pressure . They are reluctant to break any play and always make tackles when it too late . They make one passe too many and refuse to shoot when in good position. They panick in from of goal , lose their cool and end up regretting those missed opportunities .
Someone will point their finger at Wenger but we are talking about professional footballers who amassed thousands of pounds and should be made accountable for their actions.

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:gp: That's a really good post.

It’s an endless cycle. Wenger can’t be counted on to change or influence anything positive to come from this team. I’ve given up on him learning any new tricks or pushing himself. But now I’m back to not understanding why certain players can’t just show some initiative? We have some players with zero intelligence. Ramsey is a key example of that and the way he plays in the midfield. How comes he doesn’t understand that he needs to focus on moving the ball forward quicker and good positioning and not just moving himself forward quicker in hope that someone finds him? I’m so glad he’s injured and Elneny is showing him how it’s done.

Walcott is another one I’ve lost patience with. I’ve never thought of him as a winger because he’s so limited when it comes to dribbling. But since coming back from injury and being played out wide again, he’s doing no wing work, not touching the ball, looking to link up play or put in crosses…he’s solely focused on scoring. He’s often been accused of lacking a football brain but the examples used to determine that are just rubbish. When he’s being played on the wing and has no idea how to affect the game with the attributes he has, that’s when I question his intelligence. How many games do you have to go without a touch and how many times do you have to sit on the bench until you realise you need to do more? Off the ball runs all game won’t help the team!

I could go on forever about this sort of thing. Where is the self-analysis from the players? Has Sanchez looked at his passing percentages each game and the amount of times he gives the ball away? Has Ozil looked at the amount of shots he takes per game? Does Giroud think wrestling with defenders on the edge of the box is helpful for the team? All of them need to really up their game. I’ve already concluded our manager is past his prime but right now, I feel like we have some gutless players. It’s bloody embarrassing seeing them tank so badly.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:gp: That's a really good post.

It’s an endless cycle. Wenger can’t be counted on to change or influence anything positive to come from this team. I’ve given up on him learning any new tricks or pushing himself. But now I’m back to not understanding why certain players can’t just show some initiative? We have some players with zero intelligence. Ramsey is a key example of that and the way he plays in the midfield. How comes he doesn’t understand that he needs to focus on moving the ball forward quicker and good positioning and not just moving himself forward quicker in hope that someone finds him? I’m so glad he’s injured and Elneny is showing him how it’s done.

Walcott is another one I’ve lost patience with. I’ve never thought of him as a winger because he’s so limited when it comes to dribbling. But since coming back from injury and being played out wide again, he’s doing no wing work, not touching the ball, looking to link up play or put in crosses…he’s solely focused on scoring. He’s often been accused of lacking a football brain but the examples used to determine that are just rubbish. When he’s being played on the wing and has no idea how to affect the game with the attributes he has, that’s when I question his intelligence. How many games do you have to go without a touch and how many times do you have to sit on the bench until you realise you need to do more? Off the ball runs all game won’t help the team!

I could go on forever about this sort of thing. Where is the self-analysis from the players? Has Sanchez looked at his passing percentages each game and the amount of times he gives the ball away? Has Ozil looked at the amount of shots he takes per game? Does Giroud think wrestling with defenders on the edge of the box is helpful for the team? All of them need to really up their game. I’ve already concluded our manager is past his prime but right now, I feel like we have some gutless players. It’s bloody embarrassing seeing them tank so badly.

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If Ramsey moved to Leicester, if he was installed in the center, do you think he would play backwards and sideways all the time? What about Walcott? If he moved to Man City would his role be to come deep and pick up the ball with his back to goal? Do these players lack intelligence or are they fucked over by a higher "intelligence"?

More from the maestro.

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Arsène Wenger has played down reports linking Arsenal with a summer move for Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

Speculation in recent days has linked the Sweden international with a move to the Emirates Stadium - with Arsenal expected to go into the transfer market for a new striker, with recent profligacy in front of goal one of the main reasons for their current slump.

“Look, at the moment, no,” Wenger said when asked if there was interest in Ibrahimovic.

“We are not on that case. We have other worries at the moment. It’s short-term. We are not on Zlatan’s case. Even at 34, he’s had a great season at PSG.”

“At the moment you can understand my priority ahead of Everton is not the transfer market on signings next season.

“I’m just surprised by the name you’ve thrown at me. We’re not thinking of signing anybody at the moment.”

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No problem with most of that and I don't think we should be looking for a 34 year old temperamental and short term solution. But that last line is Wenger all over. Really? We aren't thinking of signings at the moment? Why not? We should be. As soon as that window opens we should be in a position to get our business done. When do we start thinking about it? In August as usual.

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[QUOTE=Munchies;506505]Wenger just said

“We need to increase the quality of our game then the strikers will benefit. We have quality strikers."

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/710759360155291648

I love how the complete opposite is true, the season we got to the European cup final and were absolutely fucking terrible in the league (yes I know you can say what's the difference between that and most seasons).

But the point is we had Thierry Henry in the side who despite being top goslscorer for us, we had nine games from nineteen away from home where we couldn't score simply because no chances were being created.
(Henry was getting most of his goals at Highbury)

Now it's the opposite, something ridiculous like 19 shots on goal against Barcelona at the nou camp, very few of which were speculative efforts because we generally don't do that, yet only three of those shots on target.

Don't get me wrong no one is claiming the overall quality of the game is brilliant, there is often no intensity there apart from two or three minute bursts. But what id argue is that if even when your making lung busting runs forward and making great play when the idiot in front of you skews wide, your intensity will naturally drop.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So answer a question. When is it legitimate to question his competency?

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It's always legitimate. But are we not able to do that without calling him a **** or all the other hyperbole we get on here? Do we have to divide ourselves into 'tribes'? I see terms like 'Wengerist' or 'WOB' (Wenger Our Brigade) or 'AKB' (Arsene Knows Best). It seems it's not valid to think that Wenger has basically done a pretty good job over the lasr 10 years, although at times should have done better. The new money has made a difference in terms of signings and trophies but he's failed to push us on for the bigger prizes. This was his last chance to do so, for me, and so I now want him gone. That doesn't mean I think he's a complete incompetent and hope he dies in a fire.

As I said on another thread, on Valentine's Day we beat Leicester we were 2 points off the top, still in all the Cups. 1 win in 8 games later and we're out of everything. I've said consistently that while we're in the title race this season I'll support him, now we're not so I won't.

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You won't answer because you are still sulking over something that happened weeks ago

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Grow up :good:

Hyperbole is hyperbole, it is intrinsically disrespectful but this is forums for you

It's different from screaming at him that he's a Cunt like at Stoke station which I think is incredibly wrong

I've called Wenger the c word loads of times during games out of frustration, but in the cold light of day there are people I genuinely think are cunts but I don't include him amongst them. I think he's a tactical dinosaur and head shakingly stubborn but I think he cares about the club he's just totally unable to help it in a meaningful way.

Unfortunately because of his stubbornness his departure from the club is unlikely to be without acrimony

Which although will be as much of his own making.

I just really hope that he decides things aren't working and that he's given the send off fit for a club legend in our last home game against Aston Villa.

No one who has given us so many fantastic memories deserves any less.

[QUOTE=Letters;506514][QUOTE=Niall_Quinn;506504]So answer a question. When is it legitimate to question his competency?

It's always legitimate. But are we not able to do that without calling him a **** or all the other hyperbole we get on here? Do we have to divide ourselves into 'tribes'? I see terms like 'Wengerist' or 'WOB' (Wenger Our Brigade) or 'AKB' (Arsene Knows Best). It seems it's not valid to think that Wenger has basically done a pretty good job over the lasr 10 years, although at times should have done better. The new money has made a difference in terms of signings and trophies but he's failed to push us on for the bigger prizes. This was his last chance to do so, for me, and so I now want him gone. That doesn't mean I think he's a complete incompetent and hope he dies in a fire.

As I said on another thread, on Valentine's Day we beat Leicester we were 2 points off the top, still in all the Cups. 1 win in 8 games later and we're out of everything. I've said consistently that while we're in the title race this season I'll support him, now we're not so I won't.

[QUOTE]You won't answer because you are still sulking over something that happened weeks ago

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Grow up :good:

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Never once called him a cunt. And why do you censor yourself btw? Are you better than some people, is that it? Do you think by placing an asterisk over what is already easily determinable you somehow separate yourself from the herd and rise to a higher plane? Cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt. It's that easy. People already know what you mean so guess what, they aren't going to be shocked or think less of you. It's all about the context. Anyway.

It was INEVITABLE that Wenger would fuck up. Inevitable. So holding out and supporting him until he inevitably fucked up was a waste. We could have had him out the door before he fucked up. That's what would have been good for Arsenal. Here's another thing. Wenger will stay on, because he's totally self absorbed, and he'll harm the club again. And he will absolutely fuck up. Take it to the bank.

The grow up thing is a beauty. I'm not going to explain it to you. Figure it out for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Hyperbole is hyperbole, it is intrinsically disrespectful but this is forums for you

It's different from screaming at him that he's a Cunt like at Stoke station which I think is incredibly wrong

I've called Wenger the c word loads of times during games out of frustration, but in the cold light of day there are people I genuinely think are cunts but I don't include him amongst them. I think he's a tactical dinosaur and head shakingly stubborn but I think he cares about the club he's just totally unable to help it in a meaningful way.

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I think Wenger is deluded. As such it's hard to blame him for his idiocy. By idiot, I'm using the definition; "One deficient in judgement and good sense", so I believe it to be entirely legitimate. Other's are saying the same thing but without cutting to the chase. He *is* and idiot. The facts bear this out.

He's also incompetent. That can hardly be argued against. Look at the record. If that's not incompetence then there is no such thing. Incompetence; "inability to do something successfully; ineptitude."

I don't think there's any need for hyperbole. The facts are perfectly sufficient and the language to fit the facts is appropriate.

If this criticism was being raised after 1 or 2 seasons of non-performance (as it is for most fans) then fair enough, it could be seen as an over-reaction. Even then it would be partially justified as that's the reality of football. But 10 seasons? Not a single win in the knock-out stages of the CL since 2010? The words being used describe precisely what Wenger has delivered. If they give offence there's a temptation to say, fuck off! But let's be kind and politically correct so we don't offend the sensibilities of the CUNTS who worry about these things.

Wenger is MINIMALLY EXCEPTIONAL.

Are we all happy now?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Unfortunately because of his stubbornness his departure from the club is unlikely to be without acrimony

Which although will be as much of his own making.

I just really hope that he decides things aren't working and that he's given the send off fit for a club legend in our last home game against Aston Villa.

No one who has given us so many fantastic memories deserves any less.

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Entirely of his own making. Wenger is like Ahab's doppelganger in reverse. Obsessed with the whale but in a perverse way that sees him sailing as fast as he can to avoid it at all costs. I agree, Villa is his last chance to get out of here without it becoming painful.

And in the end, is the whole club built around what Wenger feels or how he is respected? If those considerations are not secondary to success on the pitch then all is lost anyway. Ideally you have results and respect. But the results are the essential part of that. Don't be expecting respect for failure, how ridiculous would that be? He has enough capital to get out with a legacy intact. If he takes the opportunity.