Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Again, if people have families to get home and want to see before bed, that's their business. None of yours. Even if they don't, it's none of your business. It's a small fraction of people.

Also,the noise levels are separate from people leaving. You can’t honestly think the players notice the difference between 50,000+ fans making noise to a few 100 fans leaving at the end? Did they notice against Burnley when we had to win a last minute penalty? Or home against Southampton? I doubt it. We still went on to win the game. Heck, the fuckers hardly clap the fans when the game is over. Pointless conversation and fraction of the problems we have. I'm done discussing it.

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I wasn't discussing those two issues at all like they are the same, they are completely separate. I was merely stating that fan atmosphere makes a difference in the same discussion.

I do think there should be a singing section so you have all the fans that will make noise throughout the game more concentrated

It's not a small fraction of people, it's about 10-15% (and that's a conservative estimate) who leave early so you are looking at about a few thousand people at least

I wonder has Moh had wider success deflecting the problems away from Wenger and focusing them on the fans? The fans will pipe up when there's something to watch other that the same old shite ball being dished up by Wenger season after season. Wenger isn't paying the fans to turn up, it's the fans paying the team to turn up and more often than not it doesn't happen. It would be nice if the team stopped arriving 45 minutes late for games, that's for sure.

Anything, absolutely anything to hasten Wenger's departure. He's a fucking cancer to this club now and treats every single fan of the club with the utmost contempt, you'd have to be an imbecile of the highest order not to be offended by some of the shit/excuses he comes out with............ or you could just be Ty

I don't even think Ty can take himself seriously. It was raining. :lol: He's embarrassed by the performance but because he's put up so such a strong defence of Wenger in public, he won't back down in public.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

How do you know the numbers have stayed the same through the years? Also, it's not as if 2007 and 2008 were great years for us either.

I'm not that fussed about people arriving late or leaving early. Life happens and it may be a case of people traveling far just to see the game but have an early start in the morning. Nobody knows what sacrifices are being made just to be at the game so I can't really assume too much.

Full crowd, half empty crowd, it's no excuse for a shit show from the players and poor prep from the manager.

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I don't think we lost a single home league game in 2007/08, did we? It could account for the difference in attendances/number of people leaving early etc

People have always arrived late and left early. No doubt many have valid reasons. However the volume and frequency with which this happens is ridiculous.

I've been at matches where the team has played a blinder and provided amazing entertainment ripping teams apart only to be met with a half empty stadium at the final whistle.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

People have always arrived late and left early. No doubt many have valid reasons. However the volume and frequency with which this happens is ridiculous.

I've been at matches where the team has played a blinder and provided amazing entertainment ripping teams apart only to be met with a half empty stadium at the final whistle.

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And so have I

I think certain individuals take exception to this because they think it's making excuses for Wenger when in fact the two issues are seperate.

I'm not blaming the embarassing home defeats on fans, I just wish people would stay to the end

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

And so have I

I think certain individuals take exception to this because they think it's making excuses for Wenger when in fact the two issues are seperate.

I'm not blaming the embarassing home defeats on fans, I just wish people would stay to the end

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I think if you're being entertained most will stay until the end, problem for us is our football and performances are so poor that 90 minutes seems like several days so hardly surprising people leave early. In additon the club take the fans for granted and give nothing back and the team who get paid an absolute load of money for playing football don't show any real desire, hardly inspiring stuff.

At the end of the day the fan is the one paying to watch, so they can do what they like, they are under no obligation to stay if they want to, the manager and players however have no excuses, no blame can be apportioned on the fans when they have to watch the rubbish we put out almost every week, rubbish with no desire, hunger or fight and very little quality to boot, one man thinks it's entertaining (well 3 including Ty and Chris) but I reckon most don't.

Cheap shot by Moh to point fingers at the fans a la Wenger, after 10 years of this it's hardly a surprise people are turning their backs, the club have had enough free passes now, this is 100% the fault of the club and noone else, even if the manager chooses to point the finger at everything else, the failure to acknowledge they ever do anything wrong is frankly embarassing.

I think the two issues are seperate as well. Wenger has no business blaming the fans for his (and the players) ineptitude.

But the home support has always been a bit ropey. I've been to games where we've scored a hatful and you could still here a pin drop for big chunks of it. And fans have always left early as well.

Zim, the quality of the match does not in any way correlate with the issue we are talking about.