We're not that bad, we're just demotivated. It's like Chelsea last year, they weren't suddenly a bad side as they're showing this year but when you collectively can't be arsed it makes a big difference.
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We're not that bad, we're just demotivated. It's like Chelsea last year, they weren't suddenly a bad side as they're showing this year but when you collectively can't be arsed it makes a big difference.
This is the worst football I have seen us play. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Back in the days of Terry Neill we has a good few pubbers thumping around the place but they all knew the basics of the game at least, and what their jobs were. They were a football team, not always a good one, but they'd go out on the pitch and do shit like defending and crossing and shooting and getting a striker in the box.
The team today, it can't even get the basics down. If things don't improve dramatically in the next couple of weeks (and Wenger is blessed yet again with another break) we're in for a real fight with Everton. Not WBA, they are too far back, but when I think of this lot going up against teams who can at least deliver the basics it makes me wonder where the points could come from. Our run in is nasty, a tough close under any circumstances. But in the shape we're in, we'll struggle against everyone on that list and a few of those games might get very embarrassing, particularly the game against you know who. I am not looking forward to that one little bit.
They're not playing as a team and they seem to have collectively given up but they're basically a good bunch of players. If you don't think they're that good then changing manager isn't going to help.
Well the new manager may throw some of them out on their ear as they deserve and he may actually try and sign top class players so it could certainly make a difference. I don't think our team is that great to be honest, it's going to take a fair amount of rebuilding and any new manager will need plenty of time to change the club so it's no longer all about Wenger, this is the problem of course, he's been here so long and has had so much power that any new manager that comes in will have a lot to change, there's a lot wrong with the club at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
If Wenger had done the decent thing and left a number of years ago we'd be in good shape, instead he's stayed on season after season and now we're left in a complete mess, strange thing to do for a man who claims he's deeply cares about Arsenal.
We are that bad IMO. We cant defend and who is going to score the goals. Have we actually won any match where Sanchez didnt play?
I hope Im wrong, but I can confidently predict where we are now is likely where we will stay....at best. In the past we have had the luck of 1 or 2 of our competitors having a shocking season to make 4th place. Its all coming to a head now that all the other clubs have their ducks in a row and we persist with the old clown
The last time we did finish 4th we were still 7 points clear of 5th. We haven't scraped into 4th place since 2013.
Only Liverpool and Chelsea have scored more than us this year, our defence is all over the shop but look at that still from Saturday when they're all just standing there while West Brom score. That isn't bad coaching that's just giving up and not bothering.
Ability wise we're not that bad.
I said a while back we need 6 or 7 quality signings to repair the team. Now it's 8 or 9 if Alexis and Ozil are going. 10 if Bellerin goes. The whole 11 if Kos twigs he's getting nothing here. Everyone else thought 1 or 2, but it has been a long time and a catalogue of neglect since we only needed a couple of players to complete a competitive team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Cashley Ahole is laughing at us in the papers today, I see. He's where the rot started. Selling him to a rival and never properly replacing him. It has been a long process of rotting ever since, with a few decorated bandages and plenty of inferior tape slapped on in haphazard fashion throughout. The players who stayed have all degraded. Players like Walcott have wasted entire careers here. Wilshere. Ramsey. Rotted through with the Wenger Way. Complacency, arrogance, caviar technicians without the toast. Yellow underbellies. Consistently missing when there's a fight. Big shots on twatter, no shots on the pitch. That's what kids will do when they don't have a firm and guiding hand. Especially kids with millions of quid in the bank, living the London scene, talked about in the papers, chased by leggy gold-diggers. Wenger is often referred to as a father figure. Maybe so, but a poor father for sure. He never taught his kids how to cope with the real world, which is why so many of them have stuck around in the cosseted fantasy environment of Wenger's Arsenal I suppose.
It's possible these players can be resuscitated. It would take a great man manager to do it. The exact kind our board is never likely to bring in. So consider those players gone.
Ozil we brought in to compensate, not as a prelude to a long term transformation. Unfortunately he's taken to the Arsenal lifestyle so comprehensively he can't be bothered to turn up any more. We brought in Alexis because Barca didn't want him. No way would Wenger have chased him had he been on the open market and subject to the usual competition from the usual suspects. Because we never win in the transfer market, we pick up what's left. Despite the fact we had 90 mill to spend in the summer. Can't compete? More like won't compete. Sounds like Alexis can't be doing with slackers and has let his feelings be known. And the slackers haven't taken to kindly to it and have run off to dad to tell on him.
Yeah, I'd say it's a mess alright. There are obvious quick fixes we could apply, like bringing in a manager who knows how to manage. But that would only take us so far. Eventually those players would be on their own on the pitch and would be called upon to fight. And that's where it would all fall down again.
There's a huge job to do at this club.
You. Two months ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...?t=3866&page=3Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Absolutely fantastic post, totally agree, this club is in a mess, the whole culture of the club with it's losers mentality and players brought up with a sense of entitlement never needing to prove themselves, make no mistake this is all down to Wenger it's these terrible methods that have led to players wasting away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
There's a real lack of hunger and desire at this club, by the time the kids get into the team Wenger has already made them millionaires and they have very little motivation to prove themselves, lifes' far too easy at Arsenal for everyone, from the players, to the manager to the medical team, somehow a player with a small cut on his leg which at any other club would be out for one match ends up being out for 6 months and needing an operation!
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Originally Posted by Letters
Those two players would make a hell of a difference no doubt about it, a matchwinner and someone with drive and desire who can protect the defence, they may have been able to lift the rest of the team, there's no shame in being duped by management that this team is good enough, it's mainly driven by hope and not wanting to admit that your team are actually a bunch of average joes (bar 1 or 2).
Everyone wants to see Arsenal compete and wants to believe it could happen, when the reality finally sets in that this won't happen, the disappointment is soul destroying however.