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Oh dear you've done it again - Jamie Vardy was at Fleetwood Town when he was 24 - he then moved to err, Championship level Leicester City - who got promoted three years later and won the PL, thanks to bucketloads of goals from, err, Jamie Vardy :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
(PS please don't bother trying to get out of this one, it's another Everton - you've nowhere to go except down, trust me)
There’s nothing to get out of….you understand the word outlier I assume?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Jamie Vardy isn’t a paradigm of how frequently players can be good despite playing in lower leagues in their mid twenties, he’s the exception that proves the rule
It’s a bit like saying the existence of hemaphrodites proves that human beings aren’t sexually dimorphic
But nice to know you’re so desperate for a win that you’re prepared to die on the hill of that argument.
We keep bumping up against these 'exceptions' don't we? Vardy, Moyes, Leicester... there's quite a few it seems ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Arteta's allegedly made his mind up about whether to keep Partey. I know Partey's been generally great but I can just see our extending his contract only for him to occupy the physio's bench next season, so I think we should sell while we can get a decent return on him. I'd try hard to keep Kiwior though.
Moyes isn’t really an exception anymore is he? Let’s be fair Everton have gone back to where they were under throat cancer boy not exactly free scoring are they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
But let’s take your arguments and apply them shall we
“You're wrong to be skeptical that a player that by the age of 26/27 hasn’t played any higher level of domestic football than the Portuguese league because Jamie Vardy is one example where it can work”
“You’re wrong to suggest that both money and having the best players is by a mile the biggest indicator of whether a team will be successful, because Leicester City won the title once”
Not exactly the most compelling arguments are they?. Leicester took a chance on Vardy because they were in a position where they could get him cheap therefore it wasn’t much of a gamble. My question is given we have money to get on someone who would be a far safer bet, why gamble on someone when the only club to date to do so is Sporting Lisbon?
Trying to dismiss that concern because of Jamie Vardy seems frankly illustrative of you being argumentative for the sake of it (something you accuse me of loads and I will concede not always unfairly, but it does mark you out as a hypocrite)
In regards to the other argument, Now of course two things can be true at once, if you have a poor coach despite having the best players and most money, that obviously can be an impediment but it means most likely that if you don’t win the teams that might not have as much money and top quality players but have far more than the clubs around them will ultimately benefit from that poor coach.
But generally speaking rich clubs hire the best coaches and quickly get rid of the ones not performing.
It seems weird to me that you’d even die on this hill, but then again this is you we are talking about isn’t it?
I’m torn on Partey. I can see both the arguments for keeping him based on how he’s performed this season and the one about selling him and getting some money (because it has been rather miraculous almost that he hasn’t had long periods out and it would be a big gamble to assume that will remain the case going forward).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
And to reaffirm again, 100% agree on Kiwior
It'll cost 100mill to replace him - so keep. Simple enough. He has set his own standards now - woe betide he drops below them. Hated the bloke (not really, but in football terms) - but he proved e wrong. Can't see where we find a better option than him at the 6, provided he plays like he's up against Madrid - every match!Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
The replacement is apparently Zubimendi who would cost us 50 million but you’re not wrong about ParteyQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Looking like we may be signing Jamie Bynoe-Gittens from Dortmund, another English lad who has gone there to get a chance he probably wouldn’t have got in England (another City academy player I believe)
From what I can see, he seems comfortable using both feet, although worryingly his head is down too often for my liking…so could have an Eze on our hands….lots of pace but very little grey matter
This also suggests we’ve gone for a cheaper alternative to Nico Williams, which I can’t say I’m heartbroken about. He plays on the left which tells me that Trossard is going in the summer (nothing I imagine any of us is that surprised about)
Yeah Eze would be a terrible signing
Scored yesterday btw, 11 goals and 11 assists this season
Oh and as for grey matter, he apparently also just won £20k in an online chess tournament
Maybe that's another exception that proves the rule though... ;)