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Would you not support the club regardless and leave the morality to the premier league to do a fit and proper person test??And wheres the morality in our manager when for years hes had a wage structure in place for everyone exept himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
This what you are saying is utter tosh.We dont pay all ozils wages for 5 years upfront .What if he left after 2 years, the 120million becomes 60 million . If we sell him for 60m after hes seen the light and realises how unambitious we are as a club and how one dimensional our manager is , he will of cost us nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Just like the premier league did a right and proper person test on Thaksin Shinawatra.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
There is no moral equivalency between being overpaid for not doing a good job, and being an oppressive tool of Vladimir Putin using the Gazprom pipelines to bring countries under Russian thrall, to make money through organised crime, to commit all kinds of crimes and atrocities and use your wealth to make you exempt from prosecution. So no I couldn't carry on supporting the club.
It's total tosh. Earlier he was suggesting we may have spent all the cash on Ozil in the Summer. You can see from the reports that it's utterly false.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
But you don't buy players in the hope that someone takes them off your hand two years later, and the money to pay his wages over the five years has to come from somewhere. When you buy a car in installments you have to know you will always have the money to pay it back, no the money is not all spent at once but if our current turnover is used to service our current wage bill than any supplementary income is used to service any additions to the wage bill. I'm sorry if I'm sounding patronising but these are alarming simple concepts you don't seem to graspQuote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
To be fair the point I was making is that 120million doesn't buy you a lot, if you consider Ozil transfer fee, wages and add ons you aren't left with a lot of change. So it wouldn't be hard to suppose that money is being spent on that, not all at once but being ear marked for that. Ill grant you I'm speculating but you seem to be reaching because its too hard to accept that you can't compete as both a football club and a businessQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
And what you cant grasp is that if the 120m you say has been used for ozils transfer and wages this year then the total wages for next year must be say 160million minus ozils yearly wage which is 9m .So either the wage bill reduces year on year or we dont pay everything up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The point being that the money is equivalent and even without Ozil at the club with the wages of the rest of the squad it's still two thirds of what we make. Especially when you have seen a rise in the wage bill this season - Mertesacker, Rosicky, Ramsey all getting a pay rise. You can argue the rights and wrongs of that all you like. But if you break down that a player is costing you 120million if he is there for five years, that's about 10-15% of your turnover for that entire period spent on one player.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
It doesn't work
You're just plain wrong. The point you made just shows how far off the mark you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Wah Wah Wah I'm not listening....you're wrong, you're wrong....take it back. That's what you sound like to me right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If you get rid of 3 players who are on say 70k a week each the 120million buys you 3 40million pound players .So say we get rid of bendtner ,diaby and podolski we could in theory buy 3 world class players and cover their wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
This squad can be and should be culled dramatically in the summer IMO, that will free up more money for new signings.
Bendtner, Park, Fabianski are definitely gone maybe even Vermaelen.
I'd also get rid of Monreal, Jenkinson, Diaby, Miyachi, Sanogo, Giroud personally, maybe even Arteta and at a push Wilshere.
That way we can rebuild and put a decent squad together.
JfBut then your having to cover the transfer fee, Bendtner is leaving on a free, Diaby has Aids of the knee and Podolski how much are you going to get for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle
And you think you are going to be able to sign three decent players to replace them without raising the bill higher than it was before hand?
You can't get better players in to replace the rubbish because they will all want to be on the same or better wages as the decent players you still have at the club.
You can try it anyway you like, it's not a Rubix cube it doesn't work. You can't run a football club as a business and expect to challenge
We receive an extra £50m or so in revenue from the TV and commercial deals annually, that goes towards the player wage bill along with the salaries we've cleared off the books from player exits, £120 in cash for actual transfers. Why is that so complicated?
You don't pay for wages from the savings!
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Originally Posted by Özim
Sanogo is one for the future. he has the tools but with a little confidence he can be something. You saw the way Wenger went and talked to him at half time. I'd keep OG as a backup to another striker. jenks i'd give one more season and then make a decision. As someone else said though this stuff isn't alchemy, no one has the magic formula...case in point look at pool this season, no one expected them to be where they are.
Mate. I agree emphatically that clubs like Citeh and the Chavs have a financial edge over us that we cannot bridge - however hard we try to run a successful commercial operation. There could be no more justifiable reason for our lack of success. But I think the real issue here - and the one that has worn many Gooners down, is that we could have done more these part few years with what we have had. And this season more than any other has shown that we are if anything regressing in terms of the efficacy of Wenger's methods. I for one believe that it is the manager's shortcomings, rather than our rivals' riches, that have sunk us this season. I know that you share many of the same frustrations on the playing side. And this is why I feel that finances have become a smokescreen hiding where we are going wrong under Wenger - and are really a different argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
It could be the fact that I'm mentally exhausted after watching the FA cup semi mind and experiencing the full gamut of emotions there are to be had, but can't really disagree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by IBK
I'd like to be proved wrong as I want every Arsenal player to succeed, and I'm developing a soft spot for this lad because you have to respect someone who tries. But I just don't see he has the technical ability to match his enthusiasm and work rate. Again I repeat I hope I'm wrong, because I really like himQuote:
Originally Posted by fari
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie