Wilshere!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
And he's on 90k last I heard, not 100k. The 110k was if we won the CL.
There's as much chance of that happening as us signing an 88m GK.
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Wilshere!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
And he's on 90k last I heard, not 100k. The 110k was if we won the CL.
There's as much chance of that happening as us signing an 88m GK.
Wolves 'hope to beat Arsenal' to landing AC Milan striker Andre Silva https://t.co/nX7M4BwdNq https://t.co/c2o7GHBAtR
Our competitors next season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Luis Enrique is stalling over a deal to become Chelsea boss because he is keen on the potential manager’s job at Arsenal. [Various]
He came out with the give managers 6months contracts nonsense didn't he. No thanks.
Jeez, I hope Wolves beat us to landing this bloke too. Fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
According to the Mirror, Manchester United have made enquiries about Bellerin, but Juventus remain favourites to sign him in the summer. #Arsenal https://t.co/orHmcjHyfy
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You need better sources mate :lol:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ing-luke-shaw/
Given that Luke Shaw seems to be off in the summer I honestly wouldn't mind taking him. He's still only 22 and there's a quality player in there.
Sure Wenger would probably ruin him as well but if it does happen and we get someone like Jardim who's excellent at working with youth, then we've got potentially England's left back for the next decade.
Man Utd boss Jose Mourinho plots summer transfer for Arsenal ace Aaron Ramsey - EXCLUSIVE https://t.co/21e8SgDjMs
Laca looks SO pissed off at being third in the Cube...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
i guess we should take that as a positive sign of his competitiveness, though I'm sure Wenger will knock that out of him soon enough...
so we might be looking to sign Bernd Leno - or is this Wenger just pretending that we're actually interested in signing a player but not really going to do it at all...?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...-leno-12216987
SAS :bow:
Player signings are all just random and ultimately of no value while Wenger stays. We should just sell all our players, all the fans should give Kroenke and Wenger all their money, sell our houses, sell everything. Give it to them.
Then they'd have no reason to stay any longer and they might fuck off.
Once they had sold the stadium.
And we wouldn't be any less competitive. That's the beauty of the plan.
Why doesn't he fuck off so we can get on with being a football club?
You really think we'll become a football club again when Wenger leaves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not overnight. But I can't think of another manager who would ignore the football to such a degree of negligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes, a more competitive one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think we would be more competitive but not because Wenger isn't interested in the football side of things and a new manager would be. Wenger just isn't up to it when it comes to the biggest competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
But whoever our manager is the club will be a business first, such is the reality of the modern game. Changing manager isn't going to fix that.
What are you trying to say? We shouldn't get rid of him because it won't make any difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You think a new manager wouldn't be able to get a whole lot more from the players?
That would make a difference.
You think a new manager wouldn't be more tactically competent?
That would make a difference.
You think a new manager would be content fucking around with that tippy tappy possession bullshit like a more boring version of Maureen?
Proper football would make a difference, wouldn't it? In fact we know that for a fact because our best moments always come when the players slip back into proper football and dispense with that utter shit Wenger wants them to play.
So much could change at this club in terms of what happens on the pitch, if only that selfish cunt would relinquish his grip.
True enough, Kroenke won't change, but he's given us fuck all up to this point so him giving us fuck all in the future won't be anything we aren't used to. There has still been money to sign (and waste) two 50mill+ strikers.
A new manager might be able to set up the team to utilise those strikers.
That would make a difference - a huge one.
Wenger's the number one, all consuming problem.
So many things open up again in terms of the football if he fucks off.
Dude. I explicitly said it would make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If you can't be arsed reading my posts then I won't bother to read yours.
Try again and if you want to reply, reply to what I actually said, not what you're pretending I did. :good:
Here's what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The ORIGINAL statement to which you originally replied spoke of becoming a "football club" again.Quote:
I think we would be more competitive but not because Wenger isn't interested in the football side of things and a new manager would be. Wenger just isn't up to it when it comes to the biggest competitions.
But whoever our manager is the club will be a business first, such is the reality of the modern game. Changing manager isn't going to fix that.
Then Selassie added we'd be competitive.
And THAT'S the part you agreed with - "I think we would be more competitive". So let's get that straight.
The two apologies on behalf of Wenger:
"...but not because Wenger isn't interested in the football side of things", a sneaky and subtle shift in emphasis, I'm talking about the shit football we play, you try to expand it out to football matters in general thus creating the new context.
"...Wenger just isn't up to it when it comes to the biggest competitions." Qualifying his failure, tempering it, implying he is up to it at all bar the top level.
And then, having attempted to frame the argument you state, "But whoever our manager is the club will be a business first, such is the reality of the modern game. Changing manager isn't going to fix that.". So we've now moved as far away as possible from the intent - Wenger is a fuck up in the transfer market and needs to fuck off so this club can get on with things - to Wenger is up to it at all bar the top level and even if we get a new manager the business side of things won't change.
Nobody claimed the business side would change. We were very specifically and clearly speaking about the football side of things. You're so deceitful, aren't you?
Obviously the reasonable question then becomes, so what, don't bother get rid of the manager? Because that's what you are trying to plant as a seed. Sure, get rid, sure, keep. Makes no difference. Oh, and be careful what you wish for because our guy is up to it at all bar the top level.
Then you climb on your high horse and project your deceit on to me, mirroring my own admonitions of you from the past when you have tried this shit (over and over again tbf). When I do it, I'm talking to you. When you do it, you seem to be talking to you too. Trying to convince yourself maybe?
Meanwhile, my prior post gets lost in the haze. Was that the point? Or are you just practicing your techniques prior to launching a new "It was the money wot sunk us" campaign?
:lol:
Do you spend your whole day walking into empty rooms and having an argument?
:popcorn:
Are you saying I shouldn't waste my time on you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm saying if you reply to things I didn't say, rather than things I did, then you're wasting your time :tiphat:
And yet there's what you said, plain to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What's the next move? Get a few posts up and move the page count on?
The usual?
I think we would probably become more competitive under a new manager, providing he is the right guy of course as there are no guarantees. I don't think it's going to get any worse than it currently is anyway because we're part of the establishment, however we're a club stuck in the past and only after a change of manager can we even begin to think about taking the required steps forward.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Me:
You:Quote:
I think we would be more competitive
Have another at my post and see if you can see the bit where I said that Wenger going would make a difference. :tiphat:Quote:
What are you trying to say? We shouldn't get rid of him because it won't make any difference?
Still trying to pretend I haven't already responded to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What is it you need? A different response? One you prefer?
Exactly. It's the one vital step that opens up the door on everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
All doors are closed while he's here. With him standing guard over every one.
We would be 10 points clear with a different manager.
We'd be 10 points better off, without a doubt. Those garbage performances where we handbagged and tapped our way to losses against pubbers would have never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
How quickly we become a dominant force again depends on who were hire as manager.
If we go for an Allegri I can see us doing very well quick time. I'm not saying we'd win the league the following season because it usually takes a season for a manager to find his bearings and mould the squad into his own... it even took Pep a year (and a few quid) to find his bearings at City and he's a genius. But we'd be a dominant force in a very short space of time.
If we went for an Arteta or Thierry then I'm not even sure we would improve. We'd probably go the other way after an initial 1 month honeymoon victory period.
There's no guarantee we'd be more competitive under a new manager, because in the end if depends who we employ, if we pick a top notch guy who has proved himself there's a very good chance we'll become more competitive and challenge again, maybe not immediately as the first thing that has to be done is to sort out this mess Wenger will leave behind:
a) Sell the players who aren't good enough
b) Bring in quality in the areas we need
c) Change the losers mentality at this club, with players being too comfortable in their positions
d) Drill the players tactically and on how to play as a team
e) Change the style of football
f) Change the training programs
g) Instill more discipline at the club
Longer term:
h) Overhaul the youth setup
i) Sort out the medical side of the club
There's a lot to do and it will take time, Wenger has really made a hash of this club IMO.
If we don't employ a guy who is top notch, we might not be competitive BUT we'd have hope unpredictability and excitement back and probably a manager who will be a whole lot flexible and who will want to prove himself.
It'll be so refreshing to change this stale, dull setup we have right now.
Once more for the back row:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If you’re going to reply to me, reply to what I did say, not what you’re pretending I said.
I don’t know what your reply was to, but it wasn’t to what I said.
Stop wasting my and your own time. :good:
NQ has a point tbh.
What was the point in saying "not because Wenger isn't interested in the football side of things", I don't understand how that's relevant, all you had to say is yes we'd be more competitive, the 2nd part is totally pointless and it basically seems to be a defence of Wenger.
The way I see it, I don't entirely agree anyway, IMO Wenger puts finances first and football second and on that basis he's not that interested in the football side of things, not as much as a manager should be, a managers job is to manage the team and try to make it successful, not to balance the books and make sure the clubs makes a profit.
Reflection. The last desperate hope when nothing else exists. Claim the win by heaping your loss on your opponent and scarpering as fast as you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
My earlier response stands.
Maybe spend less time sucking Wenger's cock and people wouldn't call you out for being a cocksucker.
That's right. Wenger doesn't give a fuck about the football beyond the absolute bare minimum required to keep up the absolute minimum team that can trade off the back of past glories and keep the cash rolling in. He had some sort of mental breakdown back when the stadium move kicked off. He became obsessed by his value illness - the Wenger measurement of how football should be and who was playing fair and who was cheating and who was worth what and who was overpaying - even though nobody else gave a shit because reality is reality. So Wenger built his fantasy world with himself as undisputed, unquestioned emperor, and his dream of egalitarian (almost communist) idealism infected every corner of the club and wrenched it off the competitive map and into limbo. And we've been floundering around here ever since. Same emperor. Same bullshit. Same fucked up transfer windows. Same stream of opportunities slipping through our fingers because guess what, Wenger has a different way of playing football too - tip tap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
So would a manager who came in and said do what it takes to win the fucking match make a difference? I would think so. That fantasy has to end and the business of becoming a competitive football club has to start. It will be hindered by having Kroenke as owner, but nowhere near to the extent having the fantasist Wenger as a manager holds us back. He's so off the map now we wouldn't be competitive if we were the only team in the league. He'd still find a way to do less. And he'd boast about it.
i agree with all those things except possibly the youth setup - from what i can see it produces good players like Willock (the one we sold to Celtic not his brother) AMN, Eddie Nketiah, Riess Nelson etc, so it's not doing too bad a job IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
i also think there's the makings of a decent goalie in Macey
but a genuine question, what do you think are the improvements needed to it?
I'm not even sure it's possible to be a dominant force any more. There are too many sides who have too much money for any one of them to be dominant for any period of time IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira